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>> Eric: IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL EXPLORE HOW THE MINNESOTA STATE CONSTITUTION SUPPORTS THE RIGHT TO ABORTION.

WE'LL REMEMBER 50 YEARS OF TWIN CITIES PRIDE GATHERINGS, A DUO OF POLITICAL SCIENTIST, TAKE A LOOK AT MINNESOTA'S ATTEMPT TO LAND AN EARLY PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY AND MARY LaHAMMER EXPLORES WHAT MINNESOTA'S POLITICAL LANDSCAPE WILL LOOK LIKE POST-ROE.

>> THE ISSUE OF ABORTION NOW FALLS TO THE STATES AND MINNESOTA POLITICAL LEADERS HAVE BEEN PREPARING FOR PEOPLE TO COME HERE.

>> NO ONE WHO TRAVELS FROM ANOTHER STATE TO SEEK AN ABORTION THAT'S LEGAL IN MINNESOTA IS GOING TO BE PROSECUTED.

>> IF A MOTHER'S HEALTH IS AT RISK, I THINK THAT LIFE HAS TO BE PRIORITIZED.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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♪♪ >> ERIC: LATER IN THE HOUR, WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW THE JANUARY 6 HEARINGS ARE DOMINATING MEDIA COVERAGE...

BUT IS THE PUBLIC WATCHING?

ALSO COMING UP, A LIVE PERFORMANCE BY THE CHORAL GROUP CANTUS.

BUT FIRST UP, AN HISTORIC SUPREME COURT RULING AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR MINNESOTANS.

>> CATHY: ABORTION POLICY IN THE UNITED STATES IS NOW DETERMINED BY STATE COURTS AND LEGISLATURES.

IN MINNESOTA, A 1995 COURT CASE FOUND A RIGHT TO ABORTION UNDER THE MINNESOTA CONSTITUTION.

MORE ON THAT IN A FEW MINUTES.

BUT FIRST, MARY LAHAMMER GATHERS SOME REACTIONS TO TODAY'S RULING.

>> Mary: POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE STATE HAVE LONG BEEN PREPARING FOR THIS RULING FROM THE U.S. SUPREME COURT.

>> WE WANT MINNESOTANS TO KNOW SOME VERY IMPORTANT THINGS.

ONE IS THAT IN MINNESOTA, THE RIGHT TO ABORTION'S PROTECTED.

NUMBER TWO, IN 1995, DOE VERSUS GOMEZ, THE MINNESOTA SUPREME COURT FOUND A MORE EXPANSIVE RIGHT TO ABORTION IN MINNESOTA.

>> Mary: THE A.G. 'EM THAT THECALLY SAYS GOMEZ IS THE LAW IN MINNESOTA AND HE WILL FIGHT ALL CHALLENGES TO IT.

A REPUBLICAN APPOINTEE TO THE STATE SUPREME COURT WHO HELPED DECIDE THAT CASE EXPLAINED HIS REASONING TO US.

DOES THAT STAND AS A STRONG CASE HERE IN MINNESOTA?

>> IT IS A STRONG CASE.

NOT WELL WRITTEN.

>> Mary: WAS THE COURT RATHER UNITED ON THAT BEHIND THE SCENES?

>> YES.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GENE [INDISCERNIBLE] SEVEN OF US, AND THERE WERE FIVE OF US VERY SOLIDLY IN THE CAMP OF THIS IS ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS, AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRAMP ON WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

>> Mary: THE HEAD OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD FOR THE ENTIRE REGION SAYS REPUBLICAN MOVES TO END ABORTION ARE CRUEL POLITICS.

>> POLITICAL CHAOS WILL ENSUE AT THE COST OF THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF PEOPLE IN OUR UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

IT IS A DISGRACEFUL DAY FOR OUR COUNTRY.

>> Mary: THERE ARE MANY, MANY SITUATIONS IN WHICH ABORTION IS A LIFE-SAVING PROCEDURE.

I HAVE SEEN MANY PATIENTS THROUGHOUT MY CAREER THAT I HAVE DONE ABORTIONS FOR WHO NEEDED THAT IN ORDER TO STAY ALIVE.

>> Mary: THE REPUBLICAN ENDORSED CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR, WHO IS DOCTOR, TOLD US THERE IS ONE EXCEPTION HE SEES.

DO YOU SEE ANY SITUATION WHERE ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL, RAPE, INSKIS, MOTHER'S LIFE -- >> IF A MOTHER'S HEALTH IS AT RISK, I THINK THAT LIFE HAS TO BE RIORITIZED, AND SO IN THAT SITUATION, I SEE THAT AS THE ONE EXCEPTION.

>> Mary: AND DO YOU SEE THAT AS A MEDICAL DOCTOR OR A POLITICIAN?

WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU COME AT THAT ONE?

>> I WOULD SAY MEDICALLY.

>> Mary: IN THE CASE OF RAPE OR INCEST, WHEN IT COULD BE A 10, 11-YEAR-OLD GIRL.

>> YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT A WOMAN WHOSE LIFE OR HEALTH IS ENDANGERED BY THE RAPE OR INCEST SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I THINK THAT BECOMES A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE PHYSICIAN AND THE PATIENT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

>> Mary: AND IS AGE A RISK FACTOR THEN, TOO, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AGE BECAUSE THAT'S POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW THAT'S POSSIBLE.

>> YEAH, YOU'RE DARN RIGHT.

YOUNGEST PATIENT I EVER DELIVERED WAS AN 11-YEAR-OLD WHEN I WAS IN MY RESIDENCY.

>> Mary: MEANWHILE, ELLISON SAYS HIS OFFICE IS PROVIDING GUIDANCE TO A WEBSITE.

HE REMINDS PEOPLE THERE IS A 4-HOUR WAITING PERIOD IN MINNESOTA BUT NOT IN A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.

>> NO ONE WHO TRAVELS FROM ANOTHER STATE TO SEEK AN ABORTION THAT'S LEGAL IN MINNESOTA IS GOING TO BE PROSECUTED.

>> I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT ABORTION RIGHTS ARE RACIAL JUSTICE ISSUE.

>> Mary: GOVERNOR WALZ ALSO REACTED BY SAYING, QUOTE, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE IS NOW THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST AN ABORTION BAN IN MINNESOTA.

ADDING, QUOTE, REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS ARE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER AND THE STAKES COULD NOT BE HIGHER.

>> Cathy: JOINING US RIGHT NOW IS LAURA HERMER, FROM MITCHELL HAMLIN SCHOOL OF LAW AND THE COURT IS ONE OF HER AREAS ARE AREAS OF EXPERTISE.

ATTORNEY GENERAL ELLISON SAYS THAT THE MINNESOTA RIGHT TO AN ABORTION IS PROTECTED FOR NOW.

WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF THAT DOE V. GOMEZ RULING?

>> THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

HOPEFULLY IT IS STRONG AND SECURE FOR NOW BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WITH DOE V.AT THE GOMEZ, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT IS PROTECTED UNDER AN IMPLIED RIGHT TO PRIVACY IN THE MINNESOTA CONSTITUTION SO AS A SUPREME -- STATE SUPREME COURT CASE, IT IS SUBJECT TO PRECISELY THE SORT OF OVERTURNING THAT WE SAW TODAY IN DOBBS VERSUS JACKSON WOMEN'S HEALTH.

AND THERE ARE OTHER POSSIBILITIES, AS WELL.

>> Eric: SHOULD ABORTION RIGHTS' ADVOCATES PUSH TO HAVE THE LEGISLATURE CODIFY THE RIGHT TO AN ABORTION AS KIND OF A SAFETY MEASURE I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY?

>> THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT MEASURE IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE LEGISLATURE, IF THE LEGISLATURE WERE NOT DIVIDED.

>> Eric: YEAH, THERE IS A BILL I THINK THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED.

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT GETS TRACTION IN THE HOUSE BUT IT HAS NO HOPE, PRESENTLY, IN THE SENATE AND THEN WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER.

>> Cathy: DO YOU THINK THIS SHAKES PUBLIC TRUST IN THE U.S. SUPREME COURT?

>> I WOULD CERTAINLY BE WORRIED THAT IT DOES.

THE DISSENT MENTIONED THIS.

THE MAJORITY ALSO DISCUSSES THIS, THE MAJORITY DISMISSES THAT PARTICULAR CONCERN AND NOTES CORRECTLY THAT DECISIONS HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED AND THAT EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE CURRENT SUPREME COURT HAS BEEN A PARTICIPANT IN OVERTURNING PRIOR PRECEDENT.

BUT, THIS IS PRECEDENT THAT HAS STOOD FOR 50 YEARS AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE WITH THE REASONING OF THE MAJORITY HOW IT IS JUSTIFIED.

>> Eric: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE STATE'S TACKLING THIS OR CONGRESS TACKLING THIS?

DON'T STATES, FOR INSTANCE, HAVE A STAKE IN THE UNBORN, FOR INSTANCE?

>> SO, I GUESS I WOULD PUSH BACK ON THAT AND SAY WHY -- WHY DO THE UNBORN, WHY DO FETUSES OR EMBRYOS HAVE A RIGHT TO LIFE?

SURELY THERE ARE MANY WOMEN AND MANY PEOPLE WHO CAN BECOME PREGNANT WHO ARE VERY HAPPILY PREGNANT, WHO -- MANY OF US HAVE CHILDREN, WE LOVE OUR CHILDREN BUT THE-ROWE VEST U.S. WADE WAS WRONG THINK FROM THE OUTSET IN PROVIDING THIS RIGHT TO THE STATE INTEREST IN FETAL LIFE AND THAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT STATE INTEREST IN FETAL LIFE, AT THE CONSTITUTIONAL LEVEL, THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL LEVEL, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE IN QUITE THE SAME PLACE THAT WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

THAT DECISION HAS BEEN CHIPPED AWAY AT EVER SINCE IT CAME DOWN.

>> Cathy: WHAT DOES THE DECISION SAY ABOUT FETAL RIGHTS?

>> THE DECISION -- IT EXPRESSLY SAYS THAT IT IS NOT DECIDING WHETHER -- WHETHER A FETUS HAS ANY RIGHTS OF A BORN CHILD AT THIS POINT, BUT IN ORDER TO GET TO THE DECISION THAT IT GOT, THE MAJORITY HAS TO ASSUME THAT THERE IS SOME RIGHT TO LIFE OF THE FETUS AND, YOU KNOW, TO GO BACK TO -- TO YOUR EARLIER QUESTION, IT CIRCUMSCRIBES THE RIGHT OF ANYONE WHO'S ABLE TO GET PREGNANT AND SO BY ENLARGING THE RIGHTS OF THE FETUS, YOU ARE CIRCUMSCRIBING THE RIGHTS OF ANYONE WHO CAN BECOME PREGNANT.

TO DECIDE THEIR OWN LIFE, TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR BODY, ET CETERA.

>> Eric: WELL, JUSTICE THOMAS SAYING THAT IN HIS CONCURRENCE THAT OTHER PRIVACY RIGHTS COULD BE ON THE TABLE?

>> INDEED, AND I THINK THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

SO THE MAJORITY OPINION GOES OUT OF ITS WAY TO SAY, LOOK, WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE NOT OVERTURNING THESE OTHER DECISIONS TODAY AND WE'RE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THAT RIGHT NOW.

HOWEVER, THE ONLY THING IN THE MAJORITY OPINION STANDING BETWEEN HAT SORT OF OVERTURNING, REALLY, IS THAT, AS THE MAJORITY SAYS, ABORTION DESTROYS FETAL LIFE, AND THESE OTHER RIGHTS DON'T DESTROY FETAL IFE, OR ANY LIFE, FOR THAT MATTER.

SO THE RIGHT TO GAY MARRIAGE, THE RIGHT TO GAY SEX, THE RIGHT TO OBTAIN CONTRA SEPTEMBER ACTIVES AS EITHER A MARRIED PERSON OR A SINGLE PERSON.

ALL THOSE RIGHTS ARE VERY MUCH IN THE COURT'S GUN SIGHTS AT THIS POINT.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE MAJORITY -- I WAS CREEING SOMETHING TODAY, THE MAJORITY OF ABORTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY, MORE THAN 50%, ARE MEDICAL-INDUCED ABORTIONS, YOU KNOW, PILLS.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT UNDER THIS RULING?

>> SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE REGULATED AT THE STATE LEVEL, LIKE ALL OTHER ABORTION PROCEDURES, AND, OF COURSE, A STATE LIKE TEXAS CAN AND HAS PROHIBITED THE IMPORT OF MEDICATION ABORTION INTO THE STATE SO YOU CAN'T MAIL SOMEONE IN TEXAS MEDICATION, FOR ABORTION, THE DRUGS.

BUT DOES THE STATE ENFORCE THE THE.

>> Eric: THANKS FOR COMING OVER, PROFESSOR.

THANKS SO MUCH.

>> Cathy: I WISH WE HAD MORE TIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ERIC: IT'S A BIG WEEKEND IN MINNEAPOLIS.

THE TWIN CITIES PRIDE FESTIVAL IS MARKING 50 YEARS OF CELEBRATING THE LGBTQ+ COMMUNITY AND THEIR ALLIES.

HERE TO TELL US MORE IS LISA VECOLI.

SHE HAS BEEN ATTENDING TWIN CITIES PRIDE FOR FOUR DECADES.

SHE IS THE CURATOR OF THE TRETTER COLLECTION IN GLBT STUDIES AT THE U OF M. LISA WAS THE GRAND MARSHAL OF THE 2018 TWIN CITIES PRIDE PARADE.

>> I WAS.

>> Eric: NOW, WHEN YOU WERE MARCHING, WHAT WERE YOU, 10 OR 1 YEARS OLD IN 1982?

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY -- I WAS A LITTLE BIT OLDER THAN THAT, I WAS 20 YEARS OLD N '82.

>> Eric: DID YOU IMAGINE THIS THING WOULD SPROUT INTO WHAT IT'S BECOME?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAD ANY IDEA.

>> ric: HOW DID IT HAPPEN?

>> YOU KNOW, THE EARLY MARCH WAS, WHAT, 50 PEOPLE IN LORING PARK THE FIRST YEAR IN '72?

'73 A FEW MORE, '74, A FEW MORE, AND I THINK THAT WHAT HAPPENED OVER THE '70s WAS THE COMMUNITY STARTED TO ORGANIZE, THEY STARTED TO COME TOGETHER, TO CREATE COMMUNITY, TO DEMAND SOCIAL CHANGE, AND PRIDE IS THE GATHERING, THE ONE GATHERING OF THE YEAR WHERE WE ALL COME TOGETHER AND TAKE A MOMENT TO REASSESS AND TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND HUG EACH OTHER AND CATCH UP AND ALSO PLOT WHAT'S NEXT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED '72, I SEE BECAUSE YOU WORK WITH THE COLLECTION, YOU HAVE AN ARTIFACT.

>> I DO.

>> Cathy: I LOVE THAT.

>> I DO.

SO THE FIRST TWIN CITIES PRIDE WAS IN 1972 AND WE HAVE NOTHING, TESTIMONY, FROM '72, NO PICTURES, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM 1972, IT WAS JUST INFORMAL, PEOPLE GETTING TOGETHER IN THE PARK SO WE DIDN'T ALL USED TO HAVE CELLPHONES IN OUR POCKETS, RIGHT?

SO THIS IS THE PRIDE GUIDE THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER IN 1973, THIS IS THE OLDEST EPHEMERA THAT WE HAVE, ABOUT TWIN CITIES PRIDE.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S HANDWRITTEN, ABOUT TEN INCHES SQUARE AND IT DESCRIBES THE ACTIVITIES FOR WHAT WAS THEN CALLED THE GAY PRIDE WEEK AT LORING PARK.

AND TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SENSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT THE ORGANIZERS WERE THINKING ABOUT, THIS WAS DESIGNED SO THAT YOU COULD FOLD IT UP AND WHIP IT LIKE A FRISBEE.

>> Eric: VERY INCENTIVE.

>> THE PRONE FOR THAT WAS THE ORGANIZERS WERE AFRAID YOU MIGHT RUN INTO HARASSMENT FROM PEOPLE WHO OBJECTED TO THE GAY COMMUNITY OR YOU MIGHT RUN INTO POLICE OFFICERS WHO WERE HARASSING MARCHERS SO THE THOUGHT WAS YOU MIGHT NEED TO GET RID OF THIS IN A HURRY AND THAT'S THE THOUGHT THEY HAD WHEN THEY PUT THE PAMPHLET TOGETHER.

>> Cathy: THE PARADE STARTED IN '73?

>> IT WAS CALLED A MARCH THEN AND NOW WE'RE GOING BACK DO CALL IT A MARCH, FOR YEARS IT WAS A PARADE BUT NOW IT'S A MARCH.

>> Cathy: DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS -- >> AGAIN, FROM '72, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS FROM 1973 AND '74.

>> Cathy: THERE'S SOME.

>> Eric: THERE'S '74.

>> YOU START TO SEE SOME OF THE HAIR TAILS AND CLOTHING STYLES AND I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PICTURES AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FROM THE SIGNS AND WHO'S WEARING WHAT EXACTLY WHICH IS FROM '73 AND WHICH IS FROM '74.

>> Eric: YOU ARE NOT PART OF A MONOLITHIC COMMUNITY.

>> NOT AT ALL.

>> Eric: I WONDER SOME OF THE UPS AND DOWNS OF GETTING DIVERSITY AND GAY MEN VERSUS LESBIANS, ALL OF THAT STUFF, HOW HAVE YOU CONQUERED ALL OF THAT?

>> I THINK IT'S AN ETERNAL QUEST.

TWIN CITIES PRIDE IS TRYING TO BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE AND MAYBE THE BEST THAT THEY CAN ASPIRE TO IS TO HAVE EVERYBODY BE UPSET THE SAME AMOUNT RATHER THAN HAVE SOME PEOPLE FEEL OKAY AND OTHER PEOPLE FEEL NOT OKAY AT ALL.

WE ARE A VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY, LGBTQ+, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IN COMMON IS THAT WE'RE SOMEWHERE IN THAT STRING OF INITIALS AND WE CROSS EVERY OTHER GEOGRAPHIC, DEMOGRAPHIC, AGE, EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUNDS.

>> Eric: IS THAT GRASS ROOTS THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER THE REASON FOR THE GREAT POLITICAL POWER, THE GREAT POLITICAL CLOUT YOU HAVE IN MINNEAPOLIS AND ELSEWHERE?

>> I THINK IN MINNEAPOLIS IT'S ABOUT KIND OF A PROGRESSIVE AGENDA THAT THE LGBTQ+ RIGHTS FALLS INTO.

YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE WERE THE FIRST STATE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEAT A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, I THINK SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT MINNESOTA AND THE ORGANIZING AND WHAT PEOPLE LEARNED IN THE OTHER STATES THAT WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL.

AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT IN THE YEARS AHEAD HOW MUCH CLOUT WE HAVE.

>> Cathy: I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WERE IN A PARADE WITH YOUR NOW WIFE AND ALL FOUR PARENTS.

>> YES, WE WERE.

>> Cathy: HAD TO BE PRETTY COOL.

SO GIVE US A SENSE, WHAT'S IT LIKE TO CELEBRATE YOUR IDENTITY WITH ALL OUR OTHER FRIENDS?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK NOW -- I MEAN, I HAVE A -- I WORK IN AN ARCHIVE, I'M ESSENTIALLY A PROFESSIONAL LESBIAN, I'M VERY MUCH IDENTIFIED IN MY JOB AS BEING PART OF THE LGBTQ+ COMMUNITY.

I HAVE A RAINBOW STICKER ON MY HOUSE, I HAVE MY CARS, I HAVE A FLAG OUT OF MY HOUSE, I MEAN, I'M VERY PUBLIC.

THAT WASN'T ALWAYS THE CASE AND, YOU KNOW, 30, 40 YEARS AGO, AND THE EARLY ONES, I WASN'T OUT AND SO I WAS ABLE TO GO TO PRIDE AND FEEL A SENSE OF OPENNESS AND A SENSE OF FREEDOM THAT WAS EXHILARATING AND HARD TO LET GO OF.

ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK PRIDE IS SO GREAT NOW IS THAT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING THAT FEELING FOR THE FIRST TIME AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US WHO HAVE GOTTEN WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN TO KEEP PARTICIPATING AND KEEP PROVIDING THAT SAFE SPACE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST COMING OUT.

>> Eric: HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

STAY SAFE.

>> Cathy: GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> Eric: THAT WAS GREAT.

>> THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> CATHY: MONDAY WAS THE WARMEST DAY IN THE TWIN CITIES SINCE JULY OF 2012.

IT WAS A SWEATY DAY.

AND MUCH OF THE STATE HAS SEEN STORMS AND STICKY DEWPOINTS.

YEAH, I KNOW, SUMMER HAS ARRIVED.

AND THAT MEANS THAT PAUL DOUGLAS IS BREAKING OUT SHORTS AND TROPICAL THEMED SHIRTS.

PAUL SITS ATOP MANY WEATHER MEDIA EMPIRES, AT THE "STAR TRIBUNE," WCCO RADIO AND HERE AT "ALMANAC."

HE'S ALSO AN EXECUTIVE AT THE WEATHER FIRM PRAEDICTIX.

I WOULD HAVE WORN SHORTS BUT THE GOAL TO ATTRACT VIEWERS, NOT REPEL THEM.

>> Cathy: THAT IS CORRECT MY FRIEND, THANK YOU.

GOSH, LET'S TALK -- THERE IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT HERE THIS WEEK, OBVIOUSLY, BUT POOR BRAINERD AND St.

CLOUD AND THE AREA OF NORTH CENTRAL MINNESOTA JUST BEING WHACKED BY RAINING THUNDERSTORMS OVER THE PAST, WHAT, 24 HOURS, 36 HOURS?

>> IT'S REALLY BEEN A FEW WEEKS WHERE CENTRAL AND NORTHERN COUNTIES HAVE SEEN THE WORST OF IT.

TWO TIMES MORE RAIN UP NORTH THAN WE'VE HAD IN THE TWIN CITIES WHERE THINGS ARE DRYING OUT A LITTLE BIT.

>> Eric: LIGHTNING FOOTAGE TO SHOW, DON'T WE?

>> Cathy: DID YOU SHOOT SOME FOOTAGE?

>> NO, I WISH I COULD TAKE CREDIT FOR THIS.

THIS IS A FRIENDS UP ON GULL LAKE, NEAR BAR HARBOR AND THIS WAS THE LIGHTNING DISPLAY YESTERDAY EVENING.

THESE WERE THE STORMS THAT EVENTUALLY DRIFTED INTO THE NORTH METRO BUT JUST AN INCREDIBLE -- THAT'S NOT TIME LAPS, THAT'S NOT SPEEDED UP, THAT'S REAL TIME.

GENERALLY, IF YOU HAVE CONTINUOUS LIGHTNING, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A STORM CAPABLE OF SEVERE WEATHER AND MAYBE SOME TORRENTIAL RAINS.

LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT I WOKE UP TO THIS MORNING.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS LIGHTNING OR GUSTY WINDS BUT WE LIVE OUT IN EXCELSIOR AND THIS WAS 3:00 a.m., MY WIFE SAID, HEY, SOMETHING'S ON FIRE, AND I THOUGHT OUR HOUSE WAS ON FIRE.

>> Cathy: WHAT?

>> Eric: WHAT THE... >> A TRANSFORMER FELL AND THIS WAS OUR DRAMA, SO WE WERE TRAPPED IN OUR HOME.

WE COULDN'T ACTUALLY GET ON THE HIGHWAY, YOU DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH DOWNED POWER LINES BUT, ANYWAY, THAT'S HOW MY DAY STARTED.

>> Eric: IS IT HOT AND STICKY, ARE THOSE WATCH WORDS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION HERE?

>> HOT AND TICKY.

IT WILL BE A HOTTER THAN NORMAL SUMMER, NOT AS HOT AS LAST YEAR WHICH WAS A RECORD, THE WARMEST WE'VE EXPERIENCED ON RECORD BUT I THINK IT WILL BE WARMER THAN NORMAL.

>> Eric: LET'S LOOK AT YOUR VISUALS.

>> YES, PLEASE, LET'S NOT LOOK AT PAUL.

>> Cathy: LAST T BEEN THAT MANY SO FAR?

>> 359 REPORTS OF HIGH WINDS, 58 TORNADOES.

THOSE RED DOTS, IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY, MORE THAN OVER CENTRAL AND WEST CENTRAL MINNESOTA.

SOMETIMES THE ATMOSPHERE GETS LOCKED INTO A RUT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN RECENT WEEKS, A PREPONDERANCE OF SEVERE WEATHER.

>> Cathy: 58 AS THE AVERAGE.

>> 58, NORMALLY WE GET 30, 32 THE ENTIRE SPRING AND SUMMER BUT JUNE IS PEAK MONTH FOR SEVERE WEATHER, THAT ONE CAMPER WHO WAS KILLED UP IN ALEXANDRIA MONDAY NIGHT WITH THOSE WILD WINDS THAT CAME THROUGH, WHEN YOU'RE CAMPING IN THE WOODS, OR EVEN ON A LAKE, I MEAN, YOU REALLY ARE AT GREAT RISK.

SITUATIONAL AWARENESS KNOWING WHAT COUNTY YOU'RE IN, SO WHEN THE WARNINGS DO COME ON THE RADIO OR TV, ALSO A NOAA WEATHER RADIO IS A GOOD IDEA, CHEAPEST LIFE INSURANCE YOU'LL EVER GET.

101 ON MONDAY IN THE TWIN CITIES, THE FIRST 100-DEGREE DAY IN JUNE SINCE BACK IN 2011.

WE SEE MOST OF OUR HUNDREDS IN JULY.

THE HOTTEST EATHER HISTORICALLY, MID-JULY.

SO THAT WAS JUST AN APPETIZER, A TEASER, I THINK, WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK INTO THE SOUP BY THE SECOND WEEK OF JULY.

AND SUMMERS ARE NOT NECESSARILY HOTTER DURING THE DAY, NIGHTS ARE WARMER, BUT THERE'S MORE WATER IN THE AIR AND SO WHEN IT DOES HEAT UP, THE HEAT INDEX IS CONSISTENTLY HOTTER.

PEOPLE SAY, DOUG, DUST BOWL DAYS BACK IN THE '30s, WE HAD A LOT OF 100s AND THAT'S TRUE.

>> Cathy: A DRY HEAT.

>> IT WAS A DRY HEAT AND IT WAS REGIONAL, IT WAS NOT GLOBAL, IT WAS REALLY A PLAINS EVENT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE CLIMATE MODELS THAT NOAA USES AROUND THAT IS FOR JULY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, EVERYTHING IN BROWN, ORANGE, HOTTER THAN AVERAGE.

THESE MODELS HAVE BEEN MONEY IN RECENT MONTHS AND SO I HAVE A HUNCH THAT, YES, IN FACT, IT WILL BE A HOTTER THAN NORMAL SUMMER.

NOT AS HOT AS THE SOUTHWEST OR EVEN NEW ENGLAND BUT, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL SUMMER WE GET 13 DAYS IN THE '90s, THIS YEAR I THINK IT WILL BE MAYBE 20.

LAST YEAR IT WAS 6, SO -- AND BACK IN APRIL, PEOPLE WERE, AHH, WE'RE GOING TO GET CHEATED OUT OF SUMMER, AGAIN.

THEY WERE INDIGNANT.

>> Cathy: THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

>> Eric: ARE WE WITH St. LOUIS, MIAMI, IS THAT OUR NEW SUMMER COMPANIONS AS FAR AS TEMPERATURES ARE CONCERNED OR... >> KANSAS CITY, St. LOUIS, THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING BUILT -- YEAH, SO ONE DAY AT A TIME, ONE SUMMER AT A TIME.

>> Eric: YOU LOOK GOOD IN YOUR BERMUDA' SHORTS AND FLIP-FLOPS.

>> NEXT TIME.

HAD I KNOWN, I WOULD HAVE ANNOYED YOUR VIEWERS.

>> Eric: YOU CLEANED UP GOOD.

>> Cathy: HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.

>> CATHY: IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, CANTUS WILL JOIN US HERE IN STUDIO B AS THE GROUP PREPARES FOR ITS 25TH - ANNIVERSARY CONCERT.

TO GET YOU READY, HERE'S A QUICK HISTORY PRIMER ON THE NOTED CHORAL GROUP.

>> CAN TUESDAY STARTED IN THE MID '90s, IT CAME FROM THESE FOUR SINGERS WHO WERE SINGING IN THE FRESHMAN TTTV VIKING CHORUS AND THEY LOAFED TO SING TOGETHER SO WHEN THEY WERE DOWN WITH THEATER, THEY WANTED TO KEEP SINGING.

THEY THREW THE FRISBEE AND SIGHT READ OCTAVOS, NOT ALL OF THEM WERE PLANNING TO DO SINGING CAREERS BUT THERE WAS A COLLABORATIVE SPIRIT IN THE ROOM AND AFTER THE SENIOR YEAR, THEY ORGANIZED A TOUR OF THE EAST COAST.

THEY HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH THAT.

THEY REALLY HIS HE WOULD, THEY REALLY, REALLY GOT AFTER IT.

THAT'S A LESSON FOR ALL OF US BUT ESPECIALLY MUSICIANS, WE THINK PRACTICE, RACTICE, AND ACTUALLY IT'S HUSTLE, HUSTLE AND HESE GUYS HAD A LOT OF HUSTLE.

AND BY 2001, THEY HAD BECOME FULLY PROFESSIONAL, THEY WERE A NONPROFIT INCORPORATED HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES AND KIND OF THE REST IS HISTORY.

♪♪ ♪ PRAISE GOD ALMIGHTY THAT'S WHAT HE SAID ♪ ♪ GO TELL THAT MIDNIGHT RIDER] >> SHELETTA: GAS PRICES ARE UP TO ALMOST $5 IN COTTAGE GROVE WHICH MAKES IT QUITE EXPENSIVE FOR ME TO FILL UP MY FAMILY'S CAMPING WORLD R.V.

FOR ME AND THESE BRUNDIDGE BABIES HAD MADE PLANS FOR SEVERAL GETAWAYS THIS SUMMER BUT THE ROAD TRIPS WOULD BE TOO ROUGH ON MY POCKET BOOK RIGHT NOW.

I DIDN'T WANT TO DISAPPOINT MY KIDDOS AND NOT GO ANYWHERE SO, LIKE MANY OF YOU, I'VE HAD TO GET CREATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO GOING ON VACATION.

INSTEAD OF TAKING THE THREE-HOUR DRIVE TO TAKE THE KIDS TO SPLASH AROUND AT WISCONSIN DELLS, WE'RE GOING TO OUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE TO SPLASH AROUND IN THEIR BACKYARD BOUNCEY HOUSE.

AND VACATION AIN'T ALL FUN AND GAMES FOR US.

WE LIKE TO INCORPORATE SOME HISTORY LESSONS WHEN WE HIT THE ROAD, BUT INSTEAD OF GOING TO SOUTH DAKOTA TO SEE THE FOUR PRESIDENTS ATOP MOUNT RUSHMORE, WE'RE JUST GONNA HANG OUT WITH ERIC ESKOLA AT THE TPT STUDIOS AND CHECK OUT THE FIRST FOUR SCARVES HE EVER WORE ON "ALMANAC."

NOW THAT'S HISTORIC.

IT AIN'T JUST ABOUT THE KIDS.

I HAD A GIRLS TRIP PLANNED AT A NAPA VINEYARD BUT THE PRICE OF THOSE FLIGHTS TO CALIFORNIA GAVE ME STICKER-SHOCK SO I'VE SETTLED FOR HANGING OUT IN THE WINE SECTION OF MY FAVORITE COTTAGE GROVE LIQUOR STORE AND SIPPIN' ON A LITTLE SOMETHING-SOMETHING WITH MY GIRLFRIEND.

CHEERS!

♪♪ >> ERIC: CANTUS IS CELEBRATING ITS 25TH BIRTHDAY THIS YEAR, EVEN THOUGH THE GROUP WAS STARTED MORE THAN A QUARTER CENTURY AGO.

COVID DELAYED THE CELEBRATION AND SO IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING THIS WEEKEND WITH A BIG CONCERT AT THE ORDWAY.

PRODUCER LISA BLACKSTONE RECENTLY SAT IN ON A CANTUS REHEARSAL TO FIND OUT HOW THE GROUP UNIQUELY PREPARES FOR ITS CONCERTS.

, DO WE WANT TO DO A QUICK RUN OF THIS?

YOU CAN SING, ALEX, BUT I'LL BE DOUBLING YOU.

>> SURE.

♪ THIS IS A SONG OF ONE HORSE HORSE ♪ ♪ A SONG FOR EVERY ONE OF US, THIS IS THE SONG OF ONE VOICE ♪ THIS IS THE SONG OF ONE VOICE ♪ ♪ THIS IS THE SONG OF ONE VOICE ♪ ♪ THIS IS THE SOUND OF ONE VOICE ♪ >> GREAT.

SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT IN A LONG TIME.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S PROBABLY UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE, BEING A CONDUCTOR OF THIS ENSEMBLE, CONDUCTORS HAVE WONDERFUL SERVICE IN THAT THEY OFFER CUES THAT ARTISTS THEN CAN FOLLOW.

WITHOUT ONE, WE HAVE TO PICK UP THOSE CUES FROM EACH OTHER, WHICH IS WHY THIS KIND OF INTIMATE, LOOKING ACROSS THE ARC SORT OF EXPERIENCE IS -- IT'S A FUNCTION BUT THE BEAUTY OF IT IS THAT IT'S REALLY, REALLY FUN O ACTUALLY EXPRESS THIS MUSIC WITH THESE PARTNERS, AND AVE THESE MOMENTS IN SONGS WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY GREAT, I'M REALLY GLAD I GOT TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU OR I'M GLAD I GOT TO HAVE THIS MOMENT WITH YOU.

OR, OH MY GOD D THAT REALLY HAPPEN?

THESE SUBTLE KIND OF CUES THAT WE PICK UP FROM EACH OTHER THAT MAKES NIGHT FIVE SO EXCITING BECAUSE IT'S STILL FRESH AND NEW.

>> BUT IF YOU ALCOVE LIKE A... ♪ SINGING] >> I WANT THAT FOUR BEATS OUT OF THIS REAT GROWTH, JUST IMMEDIATELY LIKE ALMOST MECHANICALLY.

>> SO WE ALL EIGHT OF US MAKE UP THE ARTISTIC DIRECTOR AND WE KIND OF SPLIT UP ALL THE SONGS IN THE SHOW SO IN A TYPICAL SHOW, WE MIGHT HAVE 20 SONGS AND THEN WE'LL SPLIT UP THOSE SONGS INTO GIVING AUL, LIKE, THREE SONGS TO KIND OF BE IN CHARGE OF.

♪ MONEY, MONEY, MONEY ♪ >> THAT PERSON KIND OF SHEPHERDS THE FIRST TWO OR THREE REHEARSALS ON THE PIECE AND THEN AFTER IT'S ON ITS FEET AND WE'RE KIND OF SINGING THROUGH IT NORMALLY, THEN IT KIND OF BECOMES -- EVERYBODY GETS TO PICK IT APART AND SAY OH, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY IT LIKE THIS.

IT BECOMES MORE OF A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

>> HOW ABOUT THAT LAST ONE, 86?

>> 86.

CAN YOU SING UPPER OR... [ Audio Indiscernible ] >> PEOPLE WILL OFTEN ASK US OR SAY, ISN'T THAT INEFFICIENT, AND THE ANSWER IS YES, IT'S VERY INEFFICIENT.

BUT IT DEFINITELY IS THE HALLMARK OF CAN TUESDAY, IT'S THIS COLLABORATIVE COMING TO CONSENSUS AND THAT CAN BE REALLY SLOW.

WE FIND THAT IT'S REWARDING AND IT DEFINITELY GIVES THAT FINAL PRODUCT ITS UNIQUE FLAVOR AND FOLKS CAN SENSE THAT, I THINK AUDIENCE MEMBERS, THE ENGAGEMENT -- THERE'S NEVER A NIGHT OFF FOR ANY OF US BECAUSE WE HAVE THE AGENCY TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT WE WANT, IF YOU'VE GOT THAT POWER, THEN COMES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF, OKAY, THEN, WHEN WE GET ON STAGE, EVEN IF THIS IS THE FIFTH SHOT IN FIVE NIGHTS, WE HAVE TO GIVE OUR BEST EFFORT SO I REALLY THINK THAT MODEL, THAT COLLABORATIVE SPIRIT WHILE IT HAS ITS HEADACHES, IS REALLY A BEAUTIFUL THING FOR US.

♪♪ >> CATHY: CANTUS, ALL EIGHT OF THEM, WILL SING FOR US IN A MOMENT.

BUT FIRST, A QUICK CHAT ABOUT SUNDAY'S CONCERT.

WITH PAUL WHO WE SAW THERE IN THE PIECE BY LISA.

ANNIVERSARY CONCERT, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BY THE WAY.

>> THANK YOU ERY MUCH.

FEEL YOUNG AT 25.

>> YOU LOOK GREAT, BY THE WAY.

ALL OF YOU LOOK GREAT FOR 25.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE SUNDAY AT THE ORDWAY.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Cathy: WHAT KIND OF RANGE OF MUSIC ARE YOU ALL GOING TO SING?

>> SO ONE OF THE TRADEMARKS OVER THE YEARS IS THAT WE LIKE TO SING EVERYTHING FROM THE RENAISSANCE TO THE 21st CENTURY, AND SO THIS CONCERT IS GOING TO FEATURE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, INCLUDING SOME CLASSIC CHORAL GEMS, ALSO SOME POP MUSIC, SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE, I THINK.

>> Cathy: I BET BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE SO GOOD -- SO ENTERTAINING, SO I'M HAPPY YOU'LL BE SINGING SOMETHING FOR US TONIGHT.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO PREVIEW?

>> WE'RE GOING TO SING ONE OF OUR SIGNATURE SONGS, CALLED "WANTING EMORIES."

>> Cathy: OH, THANK YOU FOR SELECTING THAT ONE, MY FAVORITE GROUP, CANTUS.

GO AHEAD.

♪♪ ♪ I AM SITTING HERE WANTING MEMORIES TO TEACH ME ♪ TO SEE THE EAUTY IN THE WORLD THROUGH MY OWN EYES ♪ YES, I AM SITTING HERE WANTING MEMORIES TO TEACH ME ♪ TO SEE THE BEAUTY IN THE WORLD THROUGH MY OWN EYES ♪ ♪ YOU USED TO ROCK ME IN THE CRADLE OF YOUR ARMS.

♪ YOU SAID YOU'D HOLD ME UNTIL THE PAINS OF LIFE WERE GONE.

♪ YOU SAID YOU'D COMFORT ME IN TIMES LIKE THESE AND NOW I NEED YOU.

♪ AND NOW I NEED YOU, AND YOU ARE R.GONE ♪♪ ♪ SO I AM SITTING HERE WANTING MEMORIES TO TEACH ME.

♪ O SEE THE BEAUTY IN THE WORLD THROUGH MY OWN EYES.

♪ SINCE YOU'VE GONE AND LEFT ME, THERE'S BEEN SO LITTLE BEAUTY.

♪ BUT I KNOW I SAW IT CLEARLY THROUGH YOUR EYES ♪ ♪ NOW THE WORLD OUTSIDE IS SUCH A COLD AND BITTER PLACE.

♪ HERE INSIDE I HAVE FEW THINGS THAT WILL CONCEAL.

♪ AND WHEN I TRY O HEAR YOUR VOICE ABOVE THE STORMS OF LIFE ♪ THEN I REMEMBER THAT I WAS TOLD ♪ ♪ YES, I AM SITTING HERE WANTING MEMORIES TO TEACH ME ♪ TO SEE THE BEAUTY IN THE WORLD THROUGH MY OWN EYES.

♪ YES, I AM SITTING HERE WANTING MEMORIES TO TEACH ME.

♪ TO SEE THE BEAUTY IN THE WORLD THROUGH MY OWN EYES ♪ ♪ I THINK ON THE THINGS THAT MADE ME FEEL SO WONDERFUL WHEN I WAS YOUNG.

♪ I THINK ON THE THINGS THAT MADE ME LAUGH, MADE ME DANCE, MADE ME SING ♪ I THINK ON THE HINGS THAT MADE ME GROW INTO A BEING FULL OF PRIDE ♪ I THINK ON THESE THINGS, FOR THEIR TRUE ♪ ♪ AND I AM SITTING HERE WANTING MEMORIES TO TEACH ME.

♪ TO SEE THE BEAUTY IN THE WORLD THROUGH MY OWN EYES.

♪ I THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE GONE BUT NOW I KNOW YOU'RE WITH ME.

♪ YOU ARE THE VOICE THAT WHISPERS ALL I NEED TO HEAR ♪ ♪ I KNOW A PLEASE, A THANK YOU AND A SMILE WILL TAKE ME FAR.

♪ I KNOW THAT I AM YOU AND YOU ARE ME AND WE ARE ONE.

♪ I KNOW THAT WHO I AM IS NUMBERED IN EACH GRAIN OF SAND.

♪ I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN BLESSED AGAIN AND OVER AGAIN ♪ ♪ AND OVER AGAIN AND OVER AGAIN ♪ ♪ YES, I AM SITTING HERE WANTING MEMORIES TO TEACH ME ♪ TO SEE THE BEAUTY IN THE WORLD THROUGH MY OWN EYES.

♪ YES, I AM SITTING HERE WANTING MEMORIES TO TEACH ME.

♪ TO SEE THE BEAUTY IN THE WORLD THROUGH MY OWN EYES ♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ [Applause] >> ERIC: THIS WEEK, THE GOVERNOR TRIED TO GET A SPECIAL SESSION IDEA GOING AGAIN BY BRINGING IN THE HOUSE SPEAKER AND INCREASING THE SIZE OF REBATE CHECKS.

AS MARY LAHAMMER SHOWS US, IT MIGHT BE THE LAST EFFORT TO GET LAWMAKERS TO RETURN FOR ALL THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

>> Mary: TWO OF THE THREE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN STATE GOVERNMENT TEAMED UP TO TEE UP A POPULAR IDEA.

$2,000 REBATE CHECKS FOR FAMILIES.

>> IT'S SIMPLY UNCONSCIONABLE TO BE SITTING ON $7 BILLION WHEN MINNESOTANS ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE BILL PAYMENTS.

>> MINNESOTA FAMILIES THIS SUMMER NEED HELP PAYING FOR GAS, THEY NEED HELP PAYING FOR DIAPERS AND GROCERIES.

THIS KIND OF STIMULUS FOR FAMILIES COULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THEIR BUDGET.

>> Mary: BUT REPUBLICANS QUICKLY DISMISSED THE IDEA.

>> THIS IS ELECTION DEER DESPERATION ON THE GOVERNOR'S PART.

HE SEES THAT HIS POLICY DECISIONS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INFLATION THAT MINNESOTANS ARE EXPERIENCING, HIS POLICY DECISIONS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HIGH GAS PRICES THAT MINNESOTANS ARE PAYING AT THE PUMP AND NOW HE SEES HIMSELF IN TROUBLE IN AN ELECTION YEAR.

>> THIS LATEST STUNT FEELS LIKE A DESPERATE ATTEMPT BY THE GOVERNOR TO DISTRACT VOTERS FROM HIS RECORD OF HIGHER TAXES AND MORE GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN LIFE.

>> Mary: TAXPAYERS ARE HURTING WITH INFLATION ALL AROUND AND THE OVERNOR FACES THOSE VOTERS IN JUST MONTHS.

>> JUST ASK ANYBODY ON THE STREET, GO TO A GAS PUMP ESPECIALLY AND ASK THEM, DO YOU THINK MINNESOTA SHOULD USE THE SURPLUS TO GIVE BACK $2,000 TO HELP YOU PAY FOR THIS?

I'M PRETTY SURE THAT POLLS AROUND -- >> THE POLLING NUMBERS WHAT'S RIGHT FOR MINNESOTA.

>> IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO THE FACT THAT REPUBLICANS WOULD RATHER JUST HOLD ON TO THIS MONEY AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPUBLICANS WIN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND THE HOUSE SO THAT YOU CAN USE THE SURPLUS AS YOU SEE FIT NEXT SESSION?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

REPUBLICANS ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONSIDER A SPECIAL SESSION TO GIVE MONEY BACK TO THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA.

THIS WAS A TOP PRIORITY FOR US.

THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THAT'S WHY WE PROPOSED OVER $8.5 BILLION IN PERMANENT ONGOING TAX RELIEF FOR HARD-WORKING MINNESOTANS, INCLUDING THE FULL ELIMINATION OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY TAX.

>> Mary: DON'T YOU THINK YOUR ODDS WOULD BE BETTER AND YOU WOULD GET A BETTER DEAL IF YOU HAD AT LEAST THE HOUSE AND MAYBE THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE?

>> MARY, THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE ELECTION THIS FALL, THIS IS ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER AND DOING WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

>> I'M JUST SAYING, JUST PUT THAT ASIDE AND LET'S AGREE ON THIS.

THIS JUST RESETS, THIS HELPS FAMILIES.

YOU CAN COME BACK, IF YOU THINK NEXT YEAR YOU'RE HERE MEASURING THE DRAPES OR WHEREVER THEY'RE COMING OVER, GO AHEAD, MEASURE THE DRAPES.

>> >> Mary: WALZ SAYS HIS REVENUE DEPARTMENT HAS FOUND A WAY TO MITIGATE THE -- ANY TAXES?

>> WHATEVER.

CAN WE HOLD UP SOME MORE HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH.

THE REALITY IS THIS CAN'T REAL AND IF YOU WANT EVIDENCE IT'S NOT REAL THE SPEAKER OF HOUSE STOOD HERE AND STILL DIDN'T COMMIT TO PASSING JUST THIS.

>> Mary: THE SPEAKER IS STILL INTERESTED IN EDUCATION AND OTHER INVESTMENTS, SINCE SESSION ENDED IN MAY, MANY INTEREST GROUPS HAVE COME FORWARD DEMANDING ACTION AS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF MATCHING FEDERAL FUNDS NEED THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO ACT.

>> I DO NOT GET TO WORK PART TIME.

NEVER.

DOESN'T WORK.

THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BE BACK HERE, DOING YOUR JOB.

>> THE FOLKS I WORK WITH IN THE COMMUNITY OF AUSTIN DON'T CARE.

THEY CAN'T CARE ANYMORE.

>> SO I WANT TO KNOW -- >> I -- I THINK IT'S JUST POLITICS.

♪♪ >> ERIC: ROE VERSUS WADE NO LONGER THE LAW OF THE LAND.

A PUSH FOR AN EARLIER PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY.

NEW REVELATIONS FROM THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE.

A BIG AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT.

HERE TO DO THAT, A DUO OF POLITICAL SCIENTISTS.

KATHRYN PEARSON TEACHES POLITICS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA'S TWIN CITIES CAMPUS.

CYNTHIA RUGELEY DOES THE SAME KIND OF WORK AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA-DULUTH.

WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.

KATHRYN PEARSON, JUSTICE ALITO SAID THAT WOMEN HAVE THE POLITICAL POWER TO CHANGE POLICY AT THE STATE LEVEL, AS IT PERTAINS TO ABORTION POLICY.

AND I WONDER IF HIS DIRECTIVE TO DEMOCRATS IS WIN MORE ELECTIONS.

>> WELL, CERTAINLY PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SPEAKER ME LOSE' TODAY SAID LET'S TAKE THIS TO THE BALLOT BOX IN NOVEMBER, BUT IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT, OF COURSE, WOMEN IN HALF THE STATES IN THE COUNTRY WILL, AS A RESULT OF OVERTURNING ROE V. WADE, NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ABORTION, AND A RECENT STUDY BUT THE GUTCHMACER INSTITUTE, THAT BY THE TIME WOMEN ARE 45, EVERY WOMAN WILL HAVE HAD AN ABORTION.

MANY STATES IN THE MIDWEST, NOT MINNESOTA, BY POOR WOMEN, WOMEN OF COLOR BY YOUNG WOMEN AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S POLITICAL POWER.

NOW, OF COURSE, DEMOCRATS WILL TRY TO REACT AND SEIZE SOME POWER AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS HERE, AND I THINK THAT WE WILL SEE A GENERATION OF WOMEN AND MEN, OF LIBERALS, WHO THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS THIS WAS SETTLED PRECEDENT, BUT IT'S CLEARLY NOT SO I THINK THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS ARE MUCH BROADER THAN JUST WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER.

>> I AGREE WITH HER AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE TOOK -- YOUNGER PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR TOOK IT FOR GRANTED, THE COURTS HAVE RULED, LET'S MOVE ON.

SO FOR ONE THING, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOT WITHIN TRADITIONAL SUPREME COURT OLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ELECTIONS BUT, AGAIN, AS KATHRYN POINTED OUT, WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT WOMEN IN CERTAIN STATES WILL HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS THAT WOMEN IN OTHER STATES DO NOT HAVE.

IT IS GOING TO -- WHAT WILL BE INTERESTING IS TO SEE WHAT THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS SELF ARE.

A LOT OF WOMEN HAVE TAKEN IT FOR GRANTED, A LOT OF YOUNGER PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN IT FOR GRANTED.

THE ANTI-ABORTION FOLKS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT, THEY'VE BEEN INSPIRED EVERY SINGLE ELECTION, THEY'VE BEEN MOBILIZED AND ENERGIZED.

NOW, DOES THIS MOBILIZE AND ENERGIZE THE OTHER SIDE?

RIGHT, I MEAN TRADITIONALLY IN ELECTIONS, WE'VE SEEN REPUBLICANS BE MORE MOBILIZED BY THE SUPREME COURT WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTIONS, MORE LIKELY TO LIST THAT AS SOMETHING THEY'RE VOTING ON.

WE SAW THIS WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND A LOT OF HIS SUPPORTERS WHICH ARE VERY MOBILIZED BY THE POSSIBILITY OF A CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT WHICH OF COURSE WAS REALIZED.

BUT AMERICANS BY A 2-1 MARGIN WERE OPPOSED TO OVERTURNING ROE V. WADE SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE EXTENT TO WHICH THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS IN NOVEMBER.

NOW, OF COURSE, PRESIDENT BIDEN'S APPROVAL OR LACK THEREOF WILL BE AN ISSUE, INFLATION, THE ECONOMY, SO THERE WILL BE A LOT OF ISSUES BUT I THINK THAT THIS WILL MATTER IN FEDERAL ELECTIONS, AND, AGAIN, SORT OF DEPENDING ON THE STATE, MATTER IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND OF COURSE IN STATE ELECTIONS, IN STATE COURTS AND SO NOW THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT ANDIDATES WILL CAMPAIGN ON.

WE'RE SEEING THIS IN MINNESOTA, AS WELL, AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT IN THE 2022 ELECTIONS AS A RESULT OF THIS RULING.

>> Cathy: GO AHEAD.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SWIM AROUND FROM IT OR MUSH AROUND IT LIKE THEY'VE DONE BEFORE, SAYING, WELL, THE CORPORATES HAVE RULED.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER THE UESTION, YES OR NO, WOULD YOU SIGN A BILL OR VETO A BILL SO IT'S GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING.

I MEAN, IT DOES CHANGE THE DYNAMICS AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MENTIONED, PRESIDENT BIDEN'S POP YOU LATE, FROM THE JANUARY 6 HEARINGS THIS WEEK, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO PRESIDENTS ON THE BALLOT COME NOVEMBER.

>> Eric: BUT INFLATION AFFECTS 100% OF MINNESOTANS.

>> RIGHT.

>> Eric: ABORTION CLEARLY DOESN'T, A FRACTION OF THAT.

>> IT IS LSO A SYMBOLIC ISSUE, TO MANY VOTERS, SORT OF WHETHER OR NOT IT AFFECTS THEM PERSONALLY, IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE OF CHILD-BEARING AGE.

BUT THE OTHER DYNAMIC IS, OBVIOUSLY, ROE V. WADE BEING OVERTURNED IS A BIG HEADLINE OF THE WEEK BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT DECISIONS THIS WEEK SO REALLY THE SUPREME COURT HAS TYPICALLY BEEN THE BRANCH THAT HAS BEEN -- HAD THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SUPPORT BY FAR, MUCH MORE THAN CONGRESS, MORE THAN THE PRESIDENT, BUT I THINK THE LEGITIMACY OF THE SUPREME COURT IS ALSO REALLY CALLED INTO QUESTION SO ALL OF OUR DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS ARE SUFFERING.

WE'VE SEEN THIS THROUGHOUT THE JANUARY 6th HEARINGS, HOW CLOSE WE WERE TO A CRISIS AND NOW THE SUPREME COURT'S LEGITIMACY IS IN QUESTION, AS WELL.

>> Cathy: SAY, THIS STORY WAS BIG FOR JUST A MILLION SECOND THIS WEEK BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS HAPPENING.

THERE WAS A SECOND AMENDMENT CASE THAT CAME BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT AND THERE WAS A RULING ON THAT THIS WEEK BUT SPEAKING OF GUN CONTROL, SOME GOP SENATORS BROKE AWAY AND HELPED PASS THIS MOST RECENT GUN CONTROL BILL IN THE SENATE, THE FIRST MAJOR PIECE OF GUN LEGISLATION IN, WHAT, 30 YEARS.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

>> I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL, THE FIRST TIME IN 30 YEARS, DID IT GO AS FAR AS IT COULD HAVE, NO, BUT IT DID SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T.

I THINK THINGS LIKE THE BOYFRIEND EXEMPTION ARE A BIG DEAL.

I THINK THAT THINGS LIKE ENCOURAGING STATES TO PUT IN PLACE RED FLAG LAWS, SO THE FACT THAT HEY PASSED SOMETHING AND THE SENATE HAD 65 VOTES, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'VE GOT 65 VOTES TO SAY WE'RE ALL HERE.

AND SO I MEAN TO ME IT'S AN AMAZING THING THAT IT HAPPENED AND, YEAH, IT'S GOOD, I HOPE IT SENDS A MESSAGE TO THIS CULTURE OUT HERE THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO GO IN AND BLOW APART 10-YEARS OLD.

IT JUST IS TRAGIC, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE CULTURE.

>> Eric: WERE ANY OF THE 15 UP FOR REELECTION THIS YEAR?

>> OF THE 5 REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE?

I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY WERE.

>> Eric: NOT VERY MANY.

>> NOT VERY PLANE AND CERTAINLY THE NRA CAME OUT STRONGLY AGAINST THIS.

THERE WERE 14 REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE, OTHER THAN HE RETIREES, OF COURSE, UP FOR REELECTION BUT THIS WAS IN THIS AGE OF DEEP, DEEP PARTISAN POLARIZATION, WHERE BOTH SIDES JUST, YOU KNOW, WANT TO MAKE THE OTHER SIDE LOOK BAD, IT WAS PRETTY REMARKABLE.

2013, THERE WERE MORE THAN 50 VOTES UT SHORT OF 60.

2015, MORE THAN 50 VOLTS BUT SHORT OF 60 FOR THE COMPROMISES SO THE FACT THAT A COMPROMISE COULD GET MORE THAN 60 VOTES TO OVERCOME THE FILIBUSTER WAS NOTABLE.

>> I WANT TO MENTION THAT SENATOR CORNIN' WENT HOME TO TEXAS WHERE THERE IS A VERY EXTREME REPUBLICAN PARTY, WAS BOOED AT THE REPUBLICAN STATE CONVENTION AND HE WENT AND VOTED FOR IT ANYWAY, SO... >> Cathy: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE JANUARY 6th SPECIAL COMMITTEE HEARINGS.

WHAT ARE YOU MAKING OF IT SO FAR?

WHERE ARE THEY HEADING?

>> I'VE BEEN MESMERIZED ACTUALLY WATCHING IT.

ARE THEY HEADING -- THERE'S GOING TO BE A REPORT, LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE HEADING THAT IF DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE LOST THE ELECTION, HE MUST CERTAINLY SHOULD HAVE.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE HEADING.

THEY'RE TRYING TO POINT THAT HE WAS CONSCIOUSLY AWARE IN THAT HE CONTRIBUTED TO THE EFFORTS TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION.

IT GETS TOUGH AND, I MEAN, I'LL LET THE LAWYERS TALK ABOUT THAT BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY HE KNOWINGLY KNEW.

>> THE COMMITTEE HAS VERY EFFECTIVELY CALLED REPUBLICAN WITNESSES, WHETHER IT'S ORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BAHR OR THE OTHER TOP DOJ, OFFICIALS WHO HAVE TESTIFIED ESSENTIALLY AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP OR THE REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE ARIZONA HOUSE SPEAKER WHO TALKED ABOUT BEING UNWILLING TO SORT OF PRESENT A SEPARATE SLATE OF ELECTORS, IT'S BEEN VERY COMPELLING TO HAVE SO MANY OF THE WITNESSES BE REPUBLICANS TALKING ABOUT THE WAYS IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT -- THE FORMER PRESIDENT TRIED TO ACCOMPLISH HEM THEM INTO OVERTURNING A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HEALTH ELECTION.

>> Cathy: DOES IT LOOK LIKE McCARTHY MADE A MISTAKE IN NOT HAVING AS MANY REPUBLICANS ON THE PANEL?

>> YES.

HE WAS UPSET THAT PELOSI WOULDN'T SEAT TWO VERY RADICAL SENATORS WHO DIDN'T VOLT -- SO THE RESULT IS WE HAVE CONGRESSWOMAN CHENEY AND LEN ZINGER WHO WERE REALLY HELPING THE COMMITTEE MAKE THEIR CASE BUT REPUBLICANS DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL ALTERNATIVE VIEWPOINT FROM OTHER MEMBERS.

>> Eric: LET'S GET AN WILL -- 8 DR.

DIRECT POLITICAL QUESTION FOR YOU.

FOREST SERVICE REPORT SAYS COPPER -- PETE STAUBER THE INCUMBENTS SAID I'M GOING TO FIGHT FOR THE MINING JOBS.

DOES THAT CHANGE -- DOES THAT CHANGE THE BALANCE OF WHAT'S GOING ON UP THERE IN THE CONGRESSIONAL RACE WITH JEN SCHULTZ THE DEMOCRAT?

>> JEN SCHULTZ GETTING IN CHANGED THE BALANCE BUT IT'S A MARGINALLY REPUBLICAN DISTRICT.

I WOULD SAY BETWEEN THREE AND FIVE POINTS, SHE IS DEFINITELY FIGHTING UPHILL.

HE IS A HE ALWAYS BEEN VERY STRONG PRO-MINING AND, YOU KNOW, OTHERS ARE VERY STRONGLY AGAINST IT.

YOU KNOW, DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING?

NO, IT JUST KEEPS IT AS AN ISSUE AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

IT'S A BIGGER DISTRICT NOW, THERE'S MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED.

I MEAN, SCHULTZ HAS DONE A GOOD JOB BRINGING UP VOTES THAT HE'S MADE, FOR INSTANCE, VOTING AGAINST THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A TOUGH DISTRICT FOR A DEMOCRAT.

>> Cathy: SO MAJOR DFLERS WERE BEFORE THE DNC THIS WEEK PITCHING MINNESOTA AS ONE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY STATES IN 2024.

>> THIS IS FAST -- FASCINATING BECAUSE IN 2020, IOWA BLEW IT, FOR DECADES THEY WERE FIRST AND THE DNC DECIDED TO OPEN IT UP AND THERE IS A MIDWEST SPOT.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BETWEEN MINNESOTA AND MICHIGAN, AND MINNESOTA HAS A LOT TO OFFER.

HIGHEST TURNOUT IN THE COUNTRY, THE FACT THAT THE LEGISLATURE DOES NOT NEED TO APPROVE THIS IT JUST NEEDS THE APPROVAL OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR, INCREASING DIVERSITY ABOUT 20% PEOPLE OF COLOR, OBVIOUSLY USED TO HOSTING BIG EVENTS AND IT WOULD BE A MAJOR BOON TO MINNESOTA IN TERMS OF MONEY.

>> Cathy: IT WOULD BE FUN TO HAVE -- SEE WHAT POLITICAL SCIENTISTS SAY ABOUT THIS ONE.

>> Eric: THE BELL HAS RUNNING.

>> Cathy: THE BELL HAS RUNNING.

>> Eric: CLASS DISMISSED.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> ERIC: IT'S MINNESOTA HISTORY TIME.

LET'S REVISIT THE QUESTION WE ASKED YOU LAST WEEK.

HERE ARE THE DETAILS.

THE YEAR IS 1958.

BACK THEN, THE "MINNEAPOLIS TRIBUNE" NEWSPAPER DID WEEKLY SCIENTIFIC POLLS OF MINNESOTANS.

WE ASKED ABOUT A POLL THAT RAN IN NOVEMBER OF 1958.

IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION, 42% OF STATE RESIDENTS SUPPORTED THE IDEA OF THE STATE PAYING FOR SOMETHING SO THAT RESIDENTS COULD GET IT FOR FREE.

WE ADDED THE HINT THAT THIS PROPOSED "FREE SERVICE" IS NOW WORTH TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

BACK IN 1958, WHAT DID 42% OF MINNESOTA RESIDENTS THINK SHOULD BE PROVIDED FOR FREE?

WE ONCE AGAIN START WITH SOME WRONG ANSWERS.

>> ERIC: SORRY TO ALL OF YOU, THOUGH IT'S WORTH NOTING YOU CAN SPEND MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON A KEVLAR CANOE.

WHAT WAS THE PRODUCT OR SERVICE THAT SO MANY MINNESOTANS THOUGHT THEY SHOULD GET FOR FREE?

MARIE FROM NORTH DAKOTA KNEW THE ANSWER.

>> ERIC: THANKS, MARIE.

YOU MAY KNOW THAT CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK OFFERED TUITION-FREE COLLEGE OPTIONS FOR STATE RESIDENTS UNTIL THE 1970S.

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