>> HELLO, EVERYONE.

WELCOME TO AMANPOUR AND COMPANY.

HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

>> POLICE AND PROTESTERS FACE- OFF IN LOS ANGELES AS TRUMP SENDS IN MORE TROOPS OVER THE CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR'S OBJECTIONS.

>> DEATH, DESPAIR, AND HUNGER IN GAZA.

I WILL SPEAK TO A TOP U. N. OFFICIAL ON THE GROUND.

>> THEN AS RUSSIA POUNDS KYIV, A RARE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE TENNIS STAR.

>> AND LIGHTS OUT, NAT KING COLE.

THE ACTORS JOIN ME ON THEIR PLAY SPOTLIGHTING A LOW POINT OF THE FAMOUS SINGER'S CAREER.

>> THE REAL-WORLD CONSEQUENCES OF THE USAID FUNDING CUTS WITH HARI SREENIVASAN.

>> AMANPOUR AND COMPANY IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE ANDERSON FAMILY ENDOWMENT, JIM ATTWOOD AND LESLIE WILLIAMS, CANDACE KING WEIR, THE SYLVIA A.

AND SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTISEMITISM, LEILA AND MICKEY STRAUS FAMILY CHARITABLE TRUST, MARK J. BLECHNER, FILOMEN M. D'AGOSTINO FOUNDATION, SETON J. MELVIN, PETER G. PETERSON AND JOAN GANZ COONEY FUND, CHARLES ROSENBLUM, KOO AND PATRICIA YUEN --COMMITTED TO BRIDGING CULTURAL DIFFERENCES IN OUR COMMUNITIES, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, JEFFREY KATZ AND BETH ROGERS, AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOUBLING DOWN ON SENDING TRIPS TO LOS ANGELES, MOBILIZING ANOTHER 2000 NATIONAL GUARD MEMBERS WELL THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT ACTIVATED 700 MARINES TO BE REACTIVE TO THE PROTEST.

TRUMP PRAISED HIMSELF FOR THE DECISION CALLING IT A GREAT ONE AND SUGGESTING THE CITY WOULD HAVE BEEN A RATED OTHERWISE.

CALIFORNIA'S GOVERNOR SAID THE MOVE WAS ENTIRELY UNNECESSARY AND COUNTERPRODUCTIVE CLAIMING THAT LOCAL OFFICIALS ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF MANAGING THE UNREST.

DEMONSTRATORS CONTINUE TO GATHER IN SOME POCKETS WHERE IN THE DAYLIGHT WE CAN SEE GRAFFITI AND VANDALISM.

PROTESTS ARE BEING SEEN IN OTHER CITIES AS WELL.

JOSH CAMPBELL IS IN LOS ANGELES FOR US.

WE HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT JUST NOW FROM THE OVAL OFFICE AGAIN DOUBLE DOWN ON HIS DECISION TO SEND IN THE NATIONAL GUARD.

THE MARINES SAYING IF WE DID NOT GET INVOLVED LOS ANGELES WOULD BE ON FIRE.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT?

AS WE KNOW THE GOVERNOR AND MAYOR SAY THAT LOCAL OFFICIALS AND THE POLICE COULD HAVE HANDLED THE UNREST WE STARTED TO SEE ON FRIDAY.

>> WE ARE HEARING A LOT OF HYPERBOLE FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP.

TALKING TO OFFICIALS ON THE GROUND THEY DID NOT THINK IT WAS NECESSARY.

NOT JUST POLITICIANS, I'M TALKING ABOUT LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD A GOOD HANDLE ON ALL OF THIS THAT WE HAVE SEEN NIGHT AFTER NIGHT THE LAST FEW DAYS.

THE POINT THEY MAKE IS THAT THIS KICKED OFF ON FRIDAY IN RESPONSE TO FEDERAL IMMIGRATION RATES THAT LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT DID NOT KNOW WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

THE ARREST STARTED HAPPENING AND PEOPLE CAME OUT TO PROTEST, SOME OF THEM GETTING VIOLENT TOWARDS THOSE FEDERAL AGENTS.

IT WAS UP TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO RESPOND.

THEY WERE PLAYING CATCH-UP FROM THE START.

IF YOU SEE WHAT WE'VE SEEN WHERE IT'S BEEN MORE METHODICAL.

YOU HAVE THE POLICE COME IN AND VARIOUS DIFFERENT GROUPS ARE ABLE TO QUELL A LOT OF THE PROTESTS WE HAVE SEEN.

THE VIOLENCE HAS GONE DOWN.

WE HOPE THAT CONTINUES.

THE BOTTOM LINE FROM LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AS THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE A HANDLE ON THIS.

AS FAR AS THE PRESIDENT SAYING L. A.

WOULD BE COMPLETELY OBLITERATED, INTERESTINGLY AFTER HE GAVE THE ORDER TO DEPLOY THE NATIONAL GUARD HE WENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SAID THE NATIONAL GUARD SAVED THE DAY.

IN REALITY THEY HAD NOT EVEN ARRIVED.

>> THAT WAS BEFORE THE MARINES WERE SENT IN.

THE PRESIDENT WHEN ASKED IF WE COULD EXPECT SIMILAR TYPE RATES THAT WE SAW IN LOS ANGELES THAT TRIGGERED THESE PROTESTS HE SAID YES.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THOSE AREAS, THOSE CITIES AND STATES WILL BE PREPARED.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THE ASSESSMENT OF THE GOVERNOR AND MAYOR OF LOS ANGELES THAT SENDING IN THESE REINFORCEMENTS ONLY EXACERBATED THE SCENE?

OR IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST WHAT THE PRESIDENT AND DHS SECRETARY ARE SAYING THAT THINGS HAVE CALMED DOWN BECAUSE OF THEIR PRESENCE?

>> WHEN TALKING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT SOURCES THEY HAVE DONE ASSESSMENTS ON THE CROWDS TRYING TO DETERMINE WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE SHOWING UP.

IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A HODGEPODGE.

YOU HAVE PROTESTERS COMING OUT AGAINST THE IMMIGRATION POLICIES.

YOU ALSO HAVE GROUPS OF PROTESTERS ACCORDING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO ARE THERE BECAUSE THE NATIONAL GUARD IS HERE.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE IN RESPONSE TO THE DEPLOYMENT OF TROOPS.

THE LAST GROUP IS PROFESSIONAL AGITATORS.

THE PEOPLE COME OUT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO THRIVE ON THE CONFLICT.

THAT IS A BIG QUESTION AS FAR AS IS THE PRESENCE OF TROOPS CONTINUING TO FEEL WHAT IS HAPPENING.

POLITICIANS HERE WHO DID NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN SAY IT CONTINUES TO FAN THE FLAMES.

I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LISTEN TO L. A.

MAYOR KAREN BASS WHO SPOKE OUT AGAINST THE SAYING IN HER VIEW THE ADMINISTRATION IS TARGETING THE CITY FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.

>> IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE OUR CITY IS A TEST CASE FOR WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MOVES IN AND TAKES THE AUTHORITY FROM THE STATE, AWAY FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

I DO NOT THINK OUR CITY SHOULD BE USED FOR AN EXPERIMENT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SECOND LARGEST CITY.

MAYBE WE CAN DO THIS TO OTHER CITIES.

>> WE KNOW THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING.

WE HAVE SEEN SOME OTHER PROTESTS BEGIN OVER THE LAST COUPLE DAYS.

THAT IS GIVING THOSE AGENCIES SOME LEAD TIME TO GET THEIR PEOPLE TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WOULD RESPOND TO WAS A REPEAT.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SET THESE RAIDS WILL CONTINUE FROM COAST TO COAST.

>> IT IS EXTREMELY RARE TO SEE U. S. MARINES PATROLLING THE STREETS OF LARGE, URBAN AREAS ESPECIALLY THE SIZE OF LOS ANGELES.

IT WAS NOTABLE TO HEAR THE DHS SECRETARY SAY THAT THESE MARINES ARE SPECIFICALLY TRAINED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE HEARING?

>> IT IS NOT.

U. S. MARINES, THEIR JOB AS EVERYBODY KNOWS LOOKING AT WORSE IN THE PAST, THEY LAUNCH OVERSEAS AS THE TIP OF THE SPEAR.

THE BRUTE FORCE OF THE U. S. MILITARY THAT CAN DEFEND, USE OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS.

THEY ARE NOT TRAINED IN PATROLLING U. S. STREETS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THIS PARTICULAR GROUP IS COMING FROM, WE SAW SOME OF THE LISTINGS ONLINE ABOUT THIS UNIT IN THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT.

THEY ARE TRAINED IN DESERT COMBAT, ARTILLERY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

NOT PATROLLING A DOWNTOWN METROPOLITAN AREA.

IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER THEY WILL BE OUT DOING LAW ENFORCEMENT ROLES IF THE PRESIDENT INVOKES THE INSURRECTION ACT.

THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY IS SAYING THEY ARE THERE TO PROTECT FEDERAL BUILDINGS, FEDERAL PROPERTY.

YOU CAN IMAGINE EVERYBODY ON A HAIRTRIGGER IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE THERE NOT TRAINED BY CARRYING DEADLY WEAPONS HOW THAT THEY RESPOND IF YOU HAVE THESE AGITATORS.

>> WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT SITUATION IN LOS ANGELES AND OTHER CITIES.

THANK YOU.

> >> IN GAZA THERE IS STILL TOO LITTLE AID GETTING IN.

WHILE THE DISTRIBUTION IS STILL FRAUGHT WITH DANGER.

THEY TOLD THE MEDIA THEY WERE FIRED ON AGAIN ON THE WAY TO AND A DISTRIBUTION SITE RUN BY THE FOUNDATION.

OLGA WORKS FOR THE U. N. OFFICE FOR THE COORDINATION OF HUMANITARIAN AFFAIRS AND JOINS ME FROM INSIDE GAZA.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

AS OF NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 160+ REPORTED DEATHS AND MORE THAN 1000 INJURIES SINCE THE FOUNDATION BEGAN DELIVERING AID.

YOU ARE WITNESS TO SOME OF THE TESTIMONY I WOULD IMAGINE FROM THE CIVILIANS THERE.

TELL US WHAT YOU ARE SEEING, WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE SITUATION ON THE GROUND AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT CIVILIANS HAVING ACCESS TO GET AID.

>> THANK YOU.

THE SITUATION JUST CONTINUES TO REALLY SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL AND DETERIORATE BY THE MINUTE.

I THINK I WAS ON YOUR PROGRAM JUST RECENTLY AND SINCE THEN IT HAS BECOME MUCH WORSE.

AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE ARE VERY GRUESOME REPORTS OF PEOPLE BEING KILLED AND INJURED AT THE DISTRIBUTION SITES THAT EVEN JUST YESTERDAY WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED REPORTS FROM THE RED CROSS FIELD HOSPITAL THAT HAD RECEIVED 29 CASUALTIES.

EIGHT OF THEM WERE DEAD.

THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY, 27 OF THEM HAD EXPLOSIVE TRAUMA INJURY.

THIS IS A VERY GRIM REALITY THAT PEOPLE ARE FACING HERE TODAY WHICH IS THIS DREADFUL CHOICE OF RISKING YOUR LIFE TO FEED YOUR FAMILY OR STARVING TO DEATH.

IT IS REALLY NOT A CHOICE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

>> THE GAZA HUMANITARIAN FOUNDATION REPORTED ON THEIR WEBSITE THEY HAVE DISTRIBUTED THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE AND A HALF-MILLION MEALS AND THE EQUIVALENT OF MORE THAN 11 AND A HALF-MILLION SINCE THE OPERATION BEGAN.

ARE YOU, ANY ABILITY YOU HAVE TO CONFIRM THOSE NUMBERS?

JUST GIVE US THE SCALE OF WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IF WE WERE TO TAKE THESE NUMBERS AND VIEW THEM AS ACCURATE.

DOES THAT MEET THE NEEDS?

>> I THINK IT CLEARLY DOESN'T.

IF YOU LOOK AROUND TODAY, EVERYONE THAT I SEE AND SPEAK TO, THE FIRST THING THEY ASK FOR IS FOOD.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO REALLY UNDERSCORE THAT IT IS NOT ABOUT ONLY FOOD.

THE FACT THAT WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING HOW MUCH WILL IT TAKE TO PREVENT FURTHER DETERIORATION.

WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IS HOW TO MEANINGFULLY LIFT THE BLOCKADE AND HOW TO ALLOW AN UNRESTRICTED FLOW OF NOT ONLY AID BUT ALSO COMMERCIAL SUPPLY AND EVERYTHING TO HELP PEOPLE RESTORE SOME SENSE OF NORMALITY.

RIGHT NOW NOTHING IS NORMAL HERE.

WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A WASTELAND THAT HAS REALLY BECOME A SHELL OF ITSELF.

PEOPLE, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN VARIOUS AREAS THAT EVEN IF THERE ARE DISPLACEMENT ORDERS, THEY REFUSED TO MOVE BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST SO TIRED OF EVERYTHING.

THEY WOULD RATHER BE KILLED WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THEY MOVE.

EVEN THOSE PLACES ARE BOND AS WELL.

>> AS YOU KNOW ISRAEL HAS CIRCUMVENTED AID ORGANIZATIONS FROM PROVIDING AID.

THEY SAY THAT IS BECAUSE HAMAS WAS FUNNELING AND LOOTING AND PROFITING AND STEALING SOME OF THAT.

THUS THEY TURN TO THIS ALTERNATIVE SOURCE, THE GAZA HUMANITARIAN FOUNDATION.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THOSE CLAIMS?

>> IT IS VERY SIMPLE.

WE HAVE A SYSTEM.

IT IS THE ONLY SYSTEM THAT HAS PROVEN TO WORK OVERTIME OVER VARIOUS CRISES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD.

IT IS NOT UNIQUE TO GAZA.

WE WORK ALL OVER THE WORLD.

WE USE A SIMILAR TYPE OF PRINCIPLED AID DELIVERY AND RESPONSE SYSTEM WHICH REACHES PEOPLE WHEREVER THEY ARE.

THESE CLAIMS THAT THERE IS DIVERSION TAKING PLACE BY HAMAS OR ITS AFFILIATES OR WHOEVER, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME EVIDENCE THAT ACTUALLY CORROBORATES THESE CLAIMS.

WE HAVE NOT TODAY RECEIVED ANY SUCH EVIDENCE.

IF WE HAD WE WILL LOOK INTO IT AND SEE IF THERE IS ANYTHING WE NEED TO CHANGE OR IMPROVE.

WE HAVE SYSTEMS AND MECHANISMS TO PREVENT SUCH THINGS INCLUDING MONITORING DURING DISTRIBUTION, VARIOUS HOTLINES, WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO DONORS FOR THE FUNDING THEY PROVIDE TO US TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHERE THE MONEY GOES.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE IN PLACE.

EVEN ABOVE THAT TO HAVE THIS RISK OF DIVERSION AS THE OVERARCHING REASON TO DISMANTLE THE SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE.

>> WHEN YOU ARE WORKING ON PROVIDING AID AND DISTRIBUTING IT PRIOR TO THE BLOCKADE YOU WERE NOT WORKING WITH HAMAS OFFICIALS IN DISTRIBUTING THE AID?

I GUESS THAT IS ONE OF THE OTHER ALLEGATIONS.

>> WE DISTRIBUTE TO THE PEOPLE THROUGH VARIOUS METHODS.

ONE OF THE WAYS WE DISTRIBUTE IS DIRECTLY TO FAMILIES.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

WE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO BRING VERY LIMITED TYPE AND VOLUME OF A THAT IS NOT ALLOWED TO GO DIRECTLY TO FAMILIES.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU COULD GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT IS IN SOME OF THESE FOOD PACKETS THAT ARE BEING DISTRIBUTED.

ARE YOU IN TOUCH WITH THOSE DISTRIBUTING THE AID FROM THE ORGANIZATION?

TELL US WHAT YOU ARE HEARING AND WHAT YOU ARE SEEING AND SOME OF THE STORIES YOU CAN RELATE TO US.

>> I THINK WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE PICTURES AND VIDEOS OF THE VARIOUS PACKAGES AND INGREDIENTS THAT ARE PART OF THESE PACKAGES.

AGAIN, WE ARE NOT PART OF THIS DISTRIBUTION AND ANY OF THE ELEMENTS THAT IT ENTAILS.

I COULD NOT CONFIRM TO YOU WHAT THESE INGREDIENTS ARE.

OF COURSE, WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE SAME.

I WANT TO REITERATE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT FOOD.

TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA IN OUR SYSTEM WE HAVE OVER 400 DISTRIBUTION SITES.

THAT ENSURES IN ITSELF TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT LEFT WITHOUT AID.

AGAIN, IT IS MORE THAN JUST FOOD.

PEOPLE NEED SHELTER, MEDICINE, WATER, SANITATION AND SERVICES AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS TO SURVIVE.

>> WHAT ARE YOU SAYING NOW?

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT FOOD.

THERE IS ALSO A CONCERN ABOUT MEDICINE GETTING IN AS WELL.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THOSE WHO ARE SAYING THEY ARE NOT GETTING ENOUGH?

>> THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS DECIMATED.

IT HAS BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

LESS THAN 40% OF HEALTHCARE FACILITIES ARE ABLE TO FUNCTION.

THE ONES THAT ARE STILL PARTIALLY FUNCTIONING ARE STRUGGLING.

ESPECIALLY THE HOSPITALS THAT ARE ACCEPTING BASICALLY DAILY TO TRAUMA INFLUX AND MASS CASUALTY INCIDENTS ARE THE NORM THESE DAYS.

OF COURSE, THERE IS A MASSIVE SHORTAGE OF SPECIFIC MEDICINES, EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN RUN INTO THE GROUND BECAUSE THERE'S NO SPARE PARTS.

ALSO, WE ARE IN A MASSIVE FUEL CRISIS AT THE MOMENT AS WELL.

REALLY AT THE SITUATION DOES NOT IMPROVE IN THE COMING DAYS WE COULD SEE A FURTHER SHUTDOWN OF HEALTHCARE FACILITIES AND OTHER LIFE CRITICAL FACILITIES.

>> I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET A REAL SENSE OF WHAT THINGS ARE LIKE THERE.

I KNOW THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO RELATE TO US THE STORIES THAT YOU ARE HEARING AND THE SHORTAGES AND THE DIRE SITUATION.

INC. YOU.

> >> TURNING TO UKRAINE RUSSIA LAUNCHED ANOTHER MASSIVE OVERNIGHT ATTACK ON KYIV WHICH PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY SAID WAS HIS ONE OF THE LARGEST THEY FACED.

NOW A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO A UKRAINIAN SOLDIER CURRENTLY SERVING WITH THE UNIT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DARING REMOTE DRONE STRIKE ON RUSSIAN AIRFIELDS RECENTLY.

HE IS ALSO A FORMER TENNIS PRO HAVING PREVIOUSLY KNOCKED ROGER FETTER ARE OUT OF WIMBLEDON.

HE JOINS ME FROM WASHINGTON WHERE HE IS ATTENDING MEETINGS.

YOUR TENNIS DAYS WERE A DECADE AGO AND SEEM LIKE A LIFETIME AGO SEEING YOU ARE WEARING A MILITARY UNIFORM.

YOU HAVE IN FIGHTING THIS WAR ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS SINCE THE INVASION IN 2022.

MY FIRST QUESTION, I KNOW YOU ARE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS TRIP.

WHAT ARE YOUR INTENTIONS?

>> WE ARE HERE TO TRY TO SHOWCASE OUR POSITION AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN UKRAINE.

WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHY WE ARE FIGHTING IN THE WAR AND WHAT ARE OUR NEEDS TO THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT IN TERMS OF CONTINUED SUPPORT THAT WE RELY ON DAILY.

>> WHAT ARE YOUR NEEDS RIGHT NOW.

AS WE HAVE BEEN REPORTING DAY AFTER DAY A NEW RECORD SEEMS TO BE SET IN TERMS OF THE DRONE STRIKES AND MISSILE LAUNCHES AGAINST UKRAINE IN MASSIVE CIVILIAN LOCATIONS.

SOME OF THE LARGEST CITIES, PRESIDENT PUTIN TOLD PRESIDENT TRUMP HE WOULD NEED TO RESPOND FOLLOWING THAT DURING OPERATION YOU TOOK PART IN.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT UKRAINE DESPERATELY NEEDS RIGHT NOW?

>> AS YOU CAN SEE WE DO NEED ANTIMISSILE SYSTEMS AND ROCKETS FOR THOSE SYSTEMS.

THE NUMBER OF DAILY ATTACKS ON THE CIVILIAN INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST INCREDIBLY BIG.

WE DO NEED THOSE MISSILE AND BALLISTIC MISSILES TO BE SHUT DOWN IN LARGE NUMBERS.

WE DO NEED THOSE ROCKETS.

IT IS ESSENTIAL FOR OUR CITIZENS TO BE SAFE.

WE NEED THOSE ROCKETS AND SYSTEMS TO BE SHUT DOWN AND CLOSE OUR SKY AT SOME POINT.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY ASSURANCES THAT THE UNITED STATES --WE KNOW THAT EUROPE HAS DOUBLED DOWN ON CONTINUING TO PROVIDE RESOURCES.

OBVIOUSLY NOTHING CAN MATCH THE TYPE OF MACHINERY AND WEAPONRY THE UNITED STATES CAN PROVIDE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ASSURANCES THAT WILL CONTINUE?

>> I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ASSURANCES, OF COURSE.

I'M HERE JUST TO REPRESENT THE POSITION OF THE MILITARY AND MY UNIT AND WHAT WE DO.

I WOULD NOT SAY WE'VE DOUBLE DOWN IN EUROPE.

THEY ARE TRYING TO SCALE UP THE SUPPORT BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE RISKS OF SOMETHING REALLY GOES BAD INSIDE UKRAINE.

WE ARE PRESENTING THE CASE THAT UKRAINE IS FIGHTING.

IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

FOR SOME REASON, IF THE U. S. WILL CUT THEIR SUPPORT IT DOES NOT MEAN WE WILL COME TO A PEACE TREATY WITH RUSSIA.

THE WHOLE GOAL IN THIS WAR IS TO DESTROY UKRAINE.

THAT MEANS IF WE COME TO ANY TERM OF PEACE WITH RUSSIA IT IS JUST A SHORT BREAK FROM WHAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE A FULL-SCALE INVASION AGAIN.

>> YOU HAVE PARTICIPATED IN OTHER THEATERS OF THIS WAR SO FAR.

THE LATEST, OPERATION SPIDERWEB WHICH SHOCKED THE WORLD.

THE FACT THAT YOU WERE ABLE AFTER PLANNING FOR SOME 16+ MONTHS TO TAKE OUT A NUMBER OF BOMBER JETS THAT WERE LOCATED THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY FROM UKRAINIAN CITIES.

THAT ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE, THAT MESSAGES WHAT TO THE WORLD THAT EVEN THE UNITED STATES AT TIMES WITH QUESTION, CAN UKRAINE REALLY WIN.

WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THOSE?

>> ALL OF THAT WAS USED JUST TO RESPOND TO WELL-PLANNED WELL ORGANIZED BY THE HEAD OF STATE.

I THINK IT WAS EXCEPTIONAL.

IT WILL BE IN THE WARBUCKS OF HOW TO CREATE A COVERT DAMAGE TO YOUR ENEMY.

>> A VERY CLEAR CASE AND DISTINCTION BETWEEN HOW UKRAINE IS FIGHTING THE WAR AND RUSSIA IS FIGHTING THE WAR AND APPEARS TO BE TARGETING CIVILIAN LOCATIONS.

A MATERNITY WARD THIS LAST WEEK ALONE BOMBARDED BY RUSSIA TAKEN THE THREAT SERIOUSLY.

WE HAVE SEEN THAT THEY YOU HAVE SEEN A PACKAGE OF SANCTIONS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ON A BIPARTISAN LEVEL IS SUPPORTED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

YET THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT SIGNED OFF ON THAT.

WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT THE DELAY IN SIGNING OFF ON IT?

>> WE WOULD REALLY HOPE HE WOULD EVENTUALLY SIGN IT OFF.

IN THE NEAR FUTURE THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY WOULD BE COLLAPSING FASTER AND CREATE PROBLEMS WITH WHICH THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE TO START TO DEAL AND THE CITIZENS OF RUSSIA WILL STOP AND START TO ASK QUESTIONS.

RIGHT NOW THE ONLY PROBLEM IS HOW TO KILL UKRAINIANS.

WE WANT THAT QUESTION GONE AND START ASKING HOW THEY CAN SURVIVE IN RUSSIA.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL LIFE.

YOU ARE WEARING A MILITARY UNIFORM.

YOU ARE MOST FAMOUS FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING ON THE TENNIS COURT.

FOR THE RUSSIAN INVASION YOU WERE LIVING IN BUDAPEST WITH YOUR FAMILY.

YOU STARTED A VINEYARD AND THEN YOU FELT GUILTY AND RETURNED TO SERVICE IN UKRAINE.

WHAT KEEPS YOU GOING IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY BEING APART FROM YOUR FAMILY BUT REALLY STARTING A WHOLE NEW CHAPTER IN YOUR LIFE, LEAVING YOUR PROFESSIONAL TENNIS CAREER BEHIND YOU?

>> I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE PERSONAL LIFE BUT IT WAS NOT THE SENSE OF GUILT.

IT WAS A SENSE OF DUTY.

IT'S THE COUNTRY WHERE I WAS BORN AND I REPRESENTED FOR MY ENTIRE TENNIS CAREER.

I PLAYED UNDER MY FLAG FOR 20 YEARS, REPRESENTING MY COUNTRY AND THE DAVIS CUP COMPETITION AS PART OF THE NATIONAL TEAM.

FOR ME IT WAS SOMETHING I MUST HAVE DONE AT THAT TIME.

WHAT KEEPS ME GOING IS VERY SIMPLE.

THE LEVEL OF HATRED WHICH IS SHOWN TO US BY OUR ENEMY, THE WAY THEY TREAT UKRAINIANS.

I HAVE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND IN THE FIRST YEARS OF WAR WHEN I PARTICIPATED IN DIFFERENT OPERATIONS ON THE FRONTLINE.

HOW THEY TREAT CIVILIANS, HOW THEY KILL AND EXECUTE OUR PRISONERS OF WAR AND CIVILIAN UKRAINIANS, IT IS SOMETHING WHICH WILL NEVER FIT IN MY MIND THAT IT CAN BE DONE BY A HUMAN BEING.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING TO A BIG NUMBER OF UKRAINIANS.

THIS FIGHT IS NOT FOR THE OIL.

IT IS A FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE.

THEY DESERVE TO LIVE IN A SUSTAINABLE ENVIRONMENT NOT BEING TREATED LIKE ANIMALS.

YOU SEE MANY IMAGES COMING BACK WITH SCARS.

THEY ARE UNDERWEIGHT.

SOME OF THEM LOSE HALF OF THEIR WEIGHT.

THE WAY THEY TREAT UKRAINIANS IS NOT HUMAN.

>> IT IS GRUESOME.

I HAVE TO SAY I WAS REALLY TOUCHED BY SOMETHING YOU SAID IN AN INTERVIEW ABOUT HOW IT IS INCREMENTAL WINNING EVERY TIME UKRAINIAN ATHLETE GOES OUT REPRESENTING HIS COUNTRY ON THE GLOBAL STAGE.

IT SHOWS THAT THE COUNTRY IS SURVIVING.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, YOUR COMMITMENT AND DEDICATION TO YOUR COUNTRY, SERGIY STAKHOVSKY.

THANK YOU.

> >> NEXT RETURN TO THE STAGE.

THE NEW YORK THEATER WORKSHOP HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED FOR LIGHTS OUT NAT KING COLE.

WRITTEN BY KOMEN DOMINGO, THE SHOW DEPICTS THE FINAL BROADCAST OF HIS NBC VARIETY SHOW AFTER A STRUGGLE TO FIND ADVERTISERS WILLING TO BACK AMERICA'S FIRST BLACK TV HOST.

THE SHOW STARS DULE HILL AND DANIEL WATTS AS THEY NAVIGATE THE REALITY OF BEING BLACK ARTISTS IN A SOCIETY THAT TRIES TO CONTAIN THEM.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

I HAVE TO SAY THIS WAS SUCH A THRILL TO WATCH YOU PERFORM ON STAGE.

THE CHEMISTRY BETWEEN YOUR CHARACTERS, I LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT THE HISTORY AND RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN YOU AS WELL.

WHAT IS NOTABLE IS AT THE TIME OF HIS DEATH IN 1965, NAT KING COLE WAS THE SECOND HIGHEST SELLING MUSICAL ARTIST.

WE SHOULD NOTE CAPITOL RECORDS HEADQUARTERS BECAME KNOWN AS THE HOUSE THAT MATT WILL.

THE SHOW FOCUSES ON THE LOWER POINTS OF HIS CAREER.

I AM WONDERING WHY THAT WAS CHOSEN TO BE THE FOCUS OF THE PIECE?

>> I THINK WHAT COLMAN DOMINGO AND PATRICIA McGREGOR HAVE DONE IS LOOK AT THE ICON.

WE KNOW THE BEAUTY OF HIS VOICE.

WE LOVE TO HEAR UNFORGETTABLE.

WE LOVE TO SAY IT'S THE HOUSE THAT NAT BUILT.

WE HAVE YET TO TAKE THE TIME TO COUNT THE COST OF THE JOURNEY.

AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS BEING HAILED AS THIS MAGNIFICENT CROONER, THERE WAS A CROSS BEEN BURNED ON HIS LAWN IN LOS ANGELES.

HIS DOG WAS BEING POISONED.

THEY SHOT A HOLE THROUGH HIS WINDOW.

THERE WAS A COST TO GRACE.

I THINK THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THIS PIECE.

WE ARE STARTING TO TAKE A DEEPER LOOK AT THE JOURNEY OF SOMEBODY WHEN LOVE AND NO TO REALIZE THE COST OF THE JOURNEY.

THERE IS A COST TO GRACE.

WE HAVE TO START TO LOOK LITTLE DEEPER TO CONNECT WITH THE HUMANITY OF OUR NEIGHBOR AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

>> AND LEARN MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE DARKER CHAPTERS THEY ENTERED AND NOT JUST THE SMILES AND SUCCESS WE HAD COME TO KNOW AND CELEBRATE.

ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE SHOW OBVIOUSLY IS THE TAP DANCE DUET BETWEEN YOUR CHARACTERS.

ME AND MY SHADOW.

INCREDIBLE.

LET'S TAKE A CLIP FOR OUR VIEWERS.

>> I LIKE IT.

>> TELL ME ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SAMMY DAVIS JR. AND NAT KING COLE.

>> THEY WERE BROTHERS.

SAMMY WAS LIKE A LITTLE BROTHER.

WHEN HE PASSED SAMMY TOOK IT VERY HARD.

HE USED TO IMPERSONATE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN HE WOULD DO A SONG.

ONE OF HIS FAVORITE PEOPLE TO IMPERSONATE WAS NAT KING COLE.

WHEN HE PASSED HE COULD NOT DO IT.

IN THE LINER NOTES OF SAMMY DAVIS JR.

SINGS THE NAT KING COLE SONGBOOK HE TALKS ABOUT HOW HE WAS JUST REGULAR PEOPLE.

HE WAS THE SAME WITH EVERYONE.

HE DID NOT PUT ON AIRS OR DO THIS ADDITIONAL STUFF TO BE LIKED.

HE WAS WHO HE WAS AT ALL TIMES.

SAMMY SOMETIMES STRUGGLED WITH THAT.

WHEN THAT PASSED HE FELT THE LOOK BACK TO BEING ON HIS OWN IN THAT WAY.

>> DULE, SOMETHING WE SAW THROUGHOUT THE PLAY DURING COMMERCIAL BREAKS FROM THE STAGE MANAGER AND MAKEUP ARTIST WAS THE FACT THAT YOUR CHARACTER WAS TOLD YOU NEED MORE POWDER.

THE POWER, THE PAIN AND JUST CONSTANTLY HEARING THAT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT SYMBOLIZED?

>> IT SYMBOLIZES SOCIETY TELLING YOU YOU ARE NOT ENOUGH EXACTLY THE WAY YOU ARE.

I BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE IN OUR NATION CAN CONNECT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AS WE LOOK IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA AGE, YOU LOOK AT THE BILLBOARDS, YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING BEING SOLD TO US.

WE ARE BEING TOLD WE NEED TO BE SOMETHING ELSE.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HIGHLIGHTING.

BEING AS PHENOMENAL AND TALENTED AS HE WAS, HE WAS STILL BEING TOLD YOU ARE NOT ENOUGH.

AND WHAT DID THAT DO TO YOU WHEN YOU HEAR THAT DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND IT KEEPS CHIPPING AWAY AT YOUR SOUL.

HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THE LOVE FOR YOURSELF?

I HAVE TO GO BACK TO PATRICIA McGREGOR AND COLMAN DOMINGO.

THEY'VE DONE OFFENDER -- FANTASTIC JOB NAVIGATING THE NUANCE OF THE JOURNEY TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU STAND UP AND SAY, I AM GOING TO SPEAK MY MIND.

I'M GOING TO TAKE UP MY SPACE.

I'M GOING TO LOVE MYSELF FOR BEING ME.

WHEN YOU DO THAT THAT'S WHEN YOU FIND YOUR POWER.

>> PATRICIA McGREGOR SAID THIS.

IT SEEMS LIKE A BIOPIC THAT BECOMES A SENIOR --FEVER DREAM.

A PART THAT HAS PAIN AND RAGE AND IS EXPOSED.

IT IS AMBITIOUS ENOUGH AND COMMENDABLE ENOUGH THAT YOU CAPTURED THAT.

THE FACT THAT YOU CAPTURE HIS VOICE, HIS DANCE, HIS MANNERISMS, WALK US THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

AS I'M SURE YOU ARE NOW AWARE, YOU HAVE RECEIVED A TON OF PRAISE FOR DOING JUST THAT.

>> I WILL SAY I'M NOT AWARE BECAUSE I TRY NOT TO GET INTO REVIEWS.

>> YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST THEN.

>> I ALWAYS SAY THAT I SLEEP WITH MR. COLE.

FROM THE TIME WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS PROCESS I HAVE A PLAYLIST OF HIS INTERVIEWS OF HIM SINGING SONGS LIVE.

I WOULD PLAY HIM THROUGH THE NIGHT AND I'M PREPARING FOR THE ROLE JUST TO SEE WHAT SEEPS INTO MY SUBCONSCIOUS.

I'VE STOOD OUTSIDE OF HIS HOUSE IN HANCOCK PARK TO RECEIVE THAT ENERGY.

NOT TOO LONG BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE A BLACK MAN SITTING ON THE CORNER IN HANCOCK PARK.

THAT WOULD NOT BE A WISE CHOICE FOR TOO LONG.

I JUST TAKE THESE THINGS AND TAKE THEM IN AS MUCH AS I CAN AND SEE WHAT STICKS WITHIN MY SOUL AND LETTING IT HAVE ITS WAY PICK I AM STILL LEARNING SO MUCH ABOUT HIM.

EVEN TO THIS DAY IF I LISTEN TO HIM SPEAKING OR I SEE A PIECE OF FOOTAGE.

THE CLIP YOU PLAYED BEFORE WE STARTED THE INTERVIEW, YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF HIS ESSENCE.

I TRY TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER AND GO A LITTLE FURTHER.

I WILL SAY BEFORE THE SHOW EVERY DAY I ALWAYS ASK GOD FOR INSPIRATION.

I SAY, MR. COLE, WORK THROUGH ME.

EVEN THOUGH HIS LIFE TRANSITIONED TO ANOTHER REALM I BELIEVE THE ENERGY TO TELL THE STORY ON THIS NIGHT.

>> YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AND ABILITY TO DIG DEEPER.

THE THEME OF RACISM IN AMERICA AND THE WAY YOU HAVE TACKLED ON THE ROLE OF SAMMY DAVIS JR. AND TRYING TO FIND HUMOR AND THE JOKES, TRYING TO BE ACCEPTED IN SOCIETY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HE NAVIGATED HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

HOW DID YOU COME TO EMBODY THAT IN PORTRAYING HIM?

>> IT IS SOMETHING I DEAL WITH PERSONALLY.

I TRY TO BRING AS MUCH AS MYSELF TO IT AS TO LET HIM SPEAK HIS TRUTH.

I HAVE BEEN DOWN THE AUTOBIOGRAPHIES, THE THINK PIECES, ALSO JUST LIVING AS A BLACK MAN IN AMERICA IN THE ARTS.

THERE IS AN ISLEY BROTHERS SONG.

WHEN I'M LAUGHING TO KEEP FROM CRYING.

THAT IS A REAL THING SOMETIMES THAT YOU HAVE TO FIND THE HUMOR.

KEEP YOUR HUMOR PLEASE.

DON'T YOU KNOW AT TIMES LIKE THESE LAUGHING MATTERS MOST OF ALL.

WHEN WE ARE IN TIMES LIKE THESE LITERALLY IN THE WORLD IN OUR COUNTRY, HUMOR IS THE THING THAT GETS US THROUGH.

SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO TAKE THE MEDICINE WHEN IT'S INSIDE SOME ICE CREAM.

THERE IS A MESSAGE WE NEED TO DELIVER.

YOU CANNOT JUST BEAT PEOPLE OVER THE HEAD WITH IT.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE HUMOR TO HELP IT GO DOWN.

I THINK THAT SAMMY REALLY UNDERSTOOD THAT.

HE TRIED TO GIVE AS MUCH JOY AS HE COULD TO SWALLOW THE RAGE AND MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT IT'S THERE.

PATRICIA AND COLEMAN DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB INFUSING IT INTO THE PIECE.

>> IT IS A FORM OF ARMOR AND A SUPERPOWER OF THEIRS.

WHAT YOU DO SO BEAUTIFULLY IS BREAKTHROUGH TO SHOW THE INSIDE DEPTHS AND UNCOMFORTABLE MOMENTS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU.

> >> OF ALL THE SWEEPING GOVERNMENT CUTS PERHAPS NONE IS BEING FELT SO QUICKLY AS USAID.

THE HUMANITARIAN DEVELOPMENT AGENT SEE HAS BEEN LARGELY DISMANTLED IN THE NAME OF GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY AND ROOTING OUT SUPPOSES CORRUPTION.

THE CONSEQUENCES ARE REAL, EVEN FATAL.

A PHYSICIAN AND FORMER HEAD OF GLOBAL HEALTH RECENTLY VISITED KENYA TO SEE THE CONSEQUENCES FIRSTHAND.

HE JOINED HARI SREENIVASAN TO DESCRIBE WHAT HE SAW.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU ARE ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATORS OF USAID.

PRESIDENT TRUMP AND ELON MUSK HAVE PRETTY MUCH DISMANTLED THE PROGRAMS.

IT IS PRIMARILY AN ORGANIZATION ADMINISTERING AID TO DEVELOPING COUNTRIES.

YOU CAME BACK FROM A TRIP TO KENYA WHERE FUNDING IS CRUCIAL FROM PROVIDING EVERYTHING FROM HIV-AIDS CARE TO MALNUTRITION.

WHAT TYPE OF IMPACT DID YOU SEE ON THE GROUND?

>> FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT JUST CUTTING PROGRAMS.

IT'S THE DISMANTLING OF THE ENTIRE AGENCY.

THE REMOVAL OF EVERY PART OF THE WORKFORCE.

86% OF THE AWARDS BEING TERMINATED.

IT IS A MASSIVE IMPACT ON THE PROGRAM.

THE QUESTION, WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.

I WENT TO KENYA OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, EVERYTHING FROM A NATIONAL AID CENTER HOSPITAL FOR ADVANCED CASES TO PRIMARY HEALTH FACILITIES TO A REFUGEE CAMP.

EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK THERE IS A DEVASTATING IMPACT.

IT IS PUBLIC HEALTH BEING DISMANTLED IN SIGNIFICANT WAYS EVERYWHERE.

I CAN POINT TO SOME NUMBERS, CREDIBLE ESTIMATES INDICATE THAT THIS IS ALREADY COSTING MORE THAN 300,000 LIVES, MOST OF THEM CHILDREN.

MALNUTRITION THEFTS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE OVER 60,000 SO FAR.

ANOTHER HUNDRED AND 20,000 DEATHS OF CHILDREN FROM TREATABLE PNEUMONIA AND DIARRHEAL DISEASE SO THIS IS DEVASTATING.

>> ONE OF THE PUSH BACKS RECEIVED FROM THE FOR THE RIGHT CORNERS IS HOW CAN THOSE ESTIMATES BE ACCURATE?

WHAT IS THE DATA, IT IS THE TRACKING ABILITY.

>> WE HAVE DATA FROM WHAT HAPPENED WHEN COUNTRIES HAVE BEEN CUT OFF FROM AID FOR PERIODS OF TIME BEFORE.

THERE ARE ALSO LONG-STANDING TRACKING OF PROGRAMS.

I LED GLOBAL HEALTH AT USAID.

WE COULD SEE IN 2023 THERE WERE 93 MILLION CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN WHO WERE REACHED.

WE COULD SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS IN LIFE EXPECTANCY THAT CAME FROM THAT.

WE HAVE DOCUMENTED THAT THERE IS AN ADDED SIX YEARS OF LONGER LIFE BECAUSE OF THE PROGRAMS.

THOSE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN CUT MORE THAN 90%.

THIS IS NOT THEORETICAL.

THE REASON I WENT TO KENYA WAS TO SEE THE REALITY.

FOR EXAMPLE, AT A REFUGEE CAMP ON THE BORDER OF SOUTH SUDAN, THE WORLD FOOD PROGRAM HAS BEEN CUT TO ZERO FUNDING.

THEY SUPPLY THE FOOD TO THE PEOPLE IN THE CAMP WITH DONATIONS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES THEY'VE BEEN ONLY ABLE TO SUPPLY 29% OF THE DAILY CALORIC NEEDS OF FAMILIES.

I SAW DEATHS ON A DAILY BASIS THERE FROM COMPLICATIONS OF SEVERE, ACUTE MALNUTRITION.

IT IS REAL.

>> HERE YOU ARE.

WE'VE ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION, KRISTOF AFTER A TOOK -- TRIP HE TOOK TO AFRICA AS WELL.

YOU ARE DESCRIBING SPECIFIC INCIDENTS YOU HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND HOW THE CHANGES AND DISMANTLING IN WASHINGTON, D. C. HAVE THE IMPACT ON LIVES AND DEATHS IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

YOU HAVE SECRETARY OF STATE MARCO RUBIO TELLING CONGRESS DIRECTLY, NO ONE HAS DIED BECAUSE OF USAID.

NO CHILDREN ARE DYING ON MY WATCH.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>> IT IS SIMPLY UNTRUE.

WE HAVE AMPLE DOCUMENTATION.

THEY CLAIM TO BE SPENDING MONEY THAT IS NOT SPENT.

THEY CLAIM TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISTRIBUTE PROGRAMS THAT DON'T HAVE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND AND IT IS SIMPLY NOT HAPPENING.

IT IS EASIER WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING ABROAD AND IT IS OUT OF SIGHT.

WE ARE SEEING THE SUPPLIED NOT JUST TO PUBLIC HEALTH HAPPENING ABROAD.

WE ARE SEEING IT APPLIED AT HOME.

IT IS MILLIONS AFFECTED ABROAD AND NOW IT IS MILLIONS AT HOME.

WE CAN SEE THE CONSEQUENCES RIGHT HERE.

>> ONE THING THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN A BIPARTISAN EFFORT IS THE PRESIDENT'S EMERGENCY PLAN FOR AIDS RELIEF.

THE LARGEST COMMITMENT BY ANY NATION TO ERADICATE A SINGLE DISEASE AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING HID --HIV CARE IN THE WORLD.

SECRETARY RUBIO SAID TO CONGRESS THAT 85% OF THE ORGANIZATION REMAINS ACTIVE EVEN AT THE ADMINISTRATION MADE THE CUTS.

IS THAT TRUE?

>> IT IS NOT.

NUMBER ONE, LET'S JUST TAKE THIS IN CONTEXT.

THERE ARE 20 MILLION PEOPLE PLUS ON HIV TREATMENT BECAUSE OF THE COMPASSION AND CONTRIBUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

THERE'S NO PLAN FOR WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU WILL CUT 15% OF PEOPLE OFF.

FURTHERMORE, THERE'S NOWHERE NEAR 85% FUNDING MOVING FORWARD.

THEY'VE BEEN ASKED FOR DOCUMENTATION AND HAVE NOT PROVIDED IT.

ONE OF THE POLICIES IS THAT NO PREVENTION FOR HIV BEYOND THE TRANSMISSION FROM MOTHER TO CHILD IS NOW ALLOWED TO BE DONE.

THAT HAS TAKEN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE OFF OF HIV PREVENTION TREATMENT.

I BRIEFED THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE BEFORE I LEFT OFFICE IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION ABOUT A BREAKTHROUGH PREVENTION.

A SINGLE SHOT REMEDY CALLED THEN A U WHICH CAN STOP IT FOR UP TO A YEAR.

WE WERE READY TO DEPLOY THAT BY THE MILLIONS BECAUSE IT IS LIKE A FLU SHOT THAT CAN STOP HIV.

IT HAS BEEN DISMANTLED.

WE ARE TRYING TO DOMESTICALLY ALSO DRIVE THAT PREVENTION PROGRAM FOR HIV BUT THAT HAS ALSO BEEN PURGED WITH THE SEVERE.

THIS IS HAPPENING AT HOME AND ABROAD.

>> ANOTHER LINE OF THINKING ABOUT THIS IS THAT, USAID NEEDED TO BE DISMANTLED BECAUSE THERE WAS MAJOR AS THEY LIKE TO SAY FRAUD, WASTE, AND ABUSE IN THE SYSTEM.

IS THERE ANY VALIDITY TO THAT CLAIM?

IS THERE ANY KIND OF STRESS TESTING WERE A VERY NEAR TIME YOU HAVE FOUND THERE ARE PLACES WHERE IT COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT?

>> ABSOLUTELY SAW PLACES WHERE WE COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT.

BUT THAT IS NOT A CASE TO DISMANTLE IT ENTIRELY.

I GOT TO LEAD 2500 PEOPLE ACROSS 65 COUNTRIES.

WE HAVE THE BUDGET OF HALF OF WHAT THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM AT HOME IN BOSTON HAS.

IT WAS ABOUT $24 PER PERSON PER YEAR PER AMERICAN TAXPAYER PER YEAR FOR HEALTH.

IT REACHED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND SAVE THE LIVES BY THE MILLIONS.

IT WAS INCREDIBLY EFFICIENT IN COMPARISON WITH OUR OWN HEALTH SYSTEM.

WE SAW WAYS THAT CLEARLY THERE WERE IMPROVEMENTS TO BE MADE.

WE DROVE A NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS TO DOCUMENT WAYS THAT WE WERE GETTING MORE LIVES SAVED PER DOLLAR AND THERE WERE MORE OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THE HIV ONE THAT I GAVE.

THE NOTION THAT IT WAS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE OR MONEY LAUNDERING OPERATION FRAUD THAT CLAIMED 90% OF DOLLARS THAT BEFORE THEY GOT TWO PEOPLE ON THE FRONT LINE, THOSE ARE SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

>> CAN YOU TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUMP 1.

0 AND TRUMP TO POINT OUT BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME THINGS YOU INHERITED WHEN YOU CAME IN WITH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THAT THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME SEEMED TO BE IN FAVOR OF.

>> THERE WERE REALLY IMPORTANT GOALS THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PASSED THAT I BUILT TON TO CARRY FORWARD.

THE HIV COMMITMENT TO ERADICATE THE PANDEMIC OF HIV BY 2030 WAS ONE OF THEM.

IT WAS IN THE UNITED STATES AS WELL AS ABROAD.

THAT WAS WHY THE BREAKTHROUGH SINGLE SHOT LONG ACT IN TREATMENT IS SO IMPORTANT.

ANOTHER AREA THAT TRUMP 1.

0 PUSHED VERY HARD WAS TO INVEST MORE IN LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS RATHER THAN LARGE MULTINATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE SWOOPING IN.

IT PUT PEOPLE AND COUNTRIES ON A SWIFTER PATH TO SELF- RELIANCE.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS EXACTLY RIGHT AND GREW FROM ONLY 10% OF FUNDS GETTING TO LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS ABROAD TO OVER 30% GETTING TO THAT POINT.

ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN DISMANTLED AND DESTROYED.

WE ARE FAR FROM BUILDING MORE OF THAT CAPACITY.

WE ARE UNDERMINING IT.

>> I ALSO WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT HEALTH IN THE CONTEXT OF RESEARCH AND UNIVERSITIES.

HARVARD SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE TARGETS.

THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT ONLY DISMANTLED USAID BUT FROZEN ABOUT $2 BILLION IN GRANTS AND $60 MILLION IN CONTRACTS TO HARVARD.

GIVE ME AN IDEA OF HOW HEALTH RESEARCH WORKS AND IF THERE ARE LONGER AFFECTS WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR.

>> MY HOME BASE WHERE THEY CAME FROM AFTER BEING A PROFESSOR WAS A SURGEON AND PUBLIC HEALTH RESEARCHER AT HARVARD SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH, HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL AND THE WOMEN'S HOSPITAL.

I RETURNED THERE, WHAT YOU ARE SEEING NOW IS THE MASSIVE DISMANTLING THAT HAD OCCURRED TO A PLACE LIKE USAID NOW BEING BROUGHT HOME TO OUR SYSTEMS FOR SCIENCE, FOR HEALTH DISCOVERIES, AND FOR UNIVERSITIES AT HOME.

HARVARD IS UP TO ALMOST $3 BILLION HAS BEEN CUT OFF.

THAT INCLUDES MY OWN RESEARCH CENTER ON REDUCING MORTALITY OF SURGERY.

WE HAD MORE THAN 20 YEARS WHERE WE CUT THE DEATH RATE FOR SURGERY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND NOW ACROSS THE WORLD BY MORE THAN A THIRD.

THAT SAME WORK THAT WAS CREATING THE NEXT SET OF ADVANCES WAS DEFUNDED LAST WEEK ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER PUBLIC FUNDING AT HARVARD.

WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE.

IT RANGES FROM DISMANTLING PROGRAMS THAT WERE SHOWING THE WAY TO MANAGE PEDIATRIC HEART CONDITIONS TO ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE, HIV, ALMOST EVERY AMERICAN BENEFITS FROM WORK THAT HAS BEEN UTTERLY FUNDED AT HARVARD AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE FELT FOR YEARS TO COME.

THE PLAYBOOK FROM USAID HAS BEEN APPLIED BROADLY.

IT'S IMPORTANT NOT TO JUST SEPARATE INTO INDIVIDUAL FIGHTS.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE NEW TAX AND SPENDING BILL THE ADMINISTRATION IS MOVING THROUGH CONGRESS, IT'S A MORE THAN 40% CUT IN THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH.

A SIMILAR MASSIVE CUT IN THE CDC AND ITS PUBLIC HEALTH RESEARCH CAPABILITIES.

ALSO, NASA AND THE NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION.

THE U. S. HAS BEEN THE LEADER FOR THE WORLD IN ADVANCING LIFE EXPECTANCY AND HEALTH THROUGH INNOVATIONS AS WELL AS IN ENGINEERING AND A VARIETY OF OTHER AREAS.

THAT IS NOW BEING SACRIFICED.

WE ARE SACRIFICING OUR ABILITY TO WIN THE FUTURE.

YOU SEE THAT IN WHAT IS HAPPENING AT UNIVERSITIES AND OUR INSTITUTIONS OF SCIENCE AND PUBLIC HEALTH.

>> GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE.

I TALKED ABOUT HARVARD THERE'S ABOUT $16 BILLION WITH THE FUNDING ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN PLACES THAT HAS NOT BEEN CANCELED SO FAR.

DOES THAT MEAN THE PHD'S THAT ARE THERE ARE DEFUNDED AND LOOKING AROUND TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY SHOULD CONTINUE THEIR WORK OR ONES THAT WOULD HAVE COME TO THIS UNIVERSITY OR COLLEGES OR INSTITUTIONS ARE NOT COMING?

HOW DOES THIS TRANSLATE TO THE IDEA OF RESEARCH LOST LEAD LOST?

>> THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.

IT'S A TERRIBLE TIME FOR A YOUNG PERSON WHO IS INTERESTED IN SCIENCE.

THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIGGEST AREAS OF CUT ARE THE TRAINING GRANTS THAT SUPPORT PHD STUDENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THE RESULTS OF THAT IS YOU HAVE UNIVERSE NOT ACCEPTING ANY MORE PHD STUDENTS AT THE MOMENT.

THEY ARE RESENDING OFFERS INCLUDING FOR SOME AT HARVARD.

RESENDING ACCEPTANCES THAT PHD STUDENTS HAD.

THEN YOU HAVE THE PROFESSORS AND RESEARCHERS THEMSELVES WHO ARE DOING WORK CUT OFF, HAVING LABS SHUT DOWN.

IT IS A DEVASTATING IMPACT THAT WILL BE FELT FOR YEARS TO COME.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE NIH.

THERE WAS RECENTLY A LETTER PUBLISHED KNOWN AS THE BETHESDA DECLARATION.

THIS WAS SENT TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE NIH ACCUSING THE LEADERSHIP OF PRIORITIZING POLITICAL MOMENTUM OVER HUMAN SAFETY AND FAITHFUL STEWARDSHIP OF PUBLIC RESOURCES.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT LETTER?

>> WHAT IS REMARKABLE ABOUT THAT IS IT COMES FROM THE SCIENTISTS WITHIN THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH WHO ARE REPORTING THEY ARE UNABLE TO DO THEIR WORK AND UNABLE TO SUPPORT OTHER PROGRAMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WERE CREATING REAL BREAKTHROUGHS, REAL ADVANCEMENTS AND NOW ARE UNDER OFTEN IDEOLOGICAL ATTACK.

OFTEN NOT GROUNDED IN SCIENCE AND MAKING IT INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DO THE JOB THEY ARE LEGALLY SUPPOSED TO DO.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE I'M WONDERING, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE RESTORED IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT PARTY, DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION THAT COMES IN IN A COUPLE YEARS, DOES IT GET TURNED BACK ON?

DOES IT TAKE YEARS TO UNDO THIS?

>> THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.

THERE ARE SEVERAL LAYERS OF DESTRUCTION AND THEY ARE ON DIFFERENT TIMELINES.

ONE IS THE CAPACITY ABROAD HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DEPLOYED AROUND THE WORLD TO DO EVERYTHING FROM SUPPORT THE UKRAINE HEALTH SYSTEM TO KEEP GOING AND ALSO THE ENERGY SYSTEM TO KEEP GOING TO SOME OF THE POOREST PLACES IN THE WORLD IN CONFLICT ZONES.

THAT SOFT POWER CAPACITY THAT U. S. HAS HAD TO DO GOOD AND WORK ON AREAS OF MUTUAL BENEFIT SUCH AS CONTROLLING HIV.

THAT IS DISMANTLED.

THAT IS GONE.

IT TOOK DECADES TO BUILD UP INCLUDING RELATIONSHIPS AND CAPACITIES.

THAT IS NOT COMING BACK ANYTIME SOON.

EVEN AS MUCH MONEY AS HARVARD HAS THEY CAN'T KEEP LINEAR ACCELERATORS FOR MAJOR PHYSICS PROGRAMS RUNNING.

THEY CANNOT KEEP GENOME PROGRAMS RUNNING THAT HAVE MASSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY.

OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ESPECIALLY IF THE NEXT BUDGET CUTS THE NIH BY 40% YOU WILL SEE THAT DISMANTLED AND DISAPPEAR.

WE HAVE STOPPED WELCOMING THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST TO COME FROM ABROAD.

WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH ENGINEERS.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BIOTECHNOLOGY RESEARCHERS.

WE WANT TO BE THE PLACE THAT ATTRACT THE GREATEST TALENT IN THE WORLD.

THAT IS ALREADY SHUT DOWN AND THE TRUST THAT IT WILL COME BACK IS HARMED FOR YEARS TO COME.

ALL OF IT IS HAPPENING AT ONCE.

THAT IS THE REALLY DAMAGING THING.

>> THE FORMER ADMINISTRATOR FOR GLOBAL HEALTH AT USAID, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

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